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pieceseeker wrote:
The whole reason I jumped into this thread is because I have just a little bit of reservations yet on the accuracy of the SS.
I think you won't find any more thoughtful and eloquent an answer to your question than these words of wisdom from our forum member, Shipwright, who blogged about this over on the Lumberjocks website:

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/27373

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/27390

Be forewarned: Shipwright is an exceptional talent. So, like they say in those diet commercials, "Results not typical." But he knows what he's talking about because he's got two shops: one fully equipped with top of the line stand alone tools and one outfitted with a Shopsmith. Read what he has to say about them.

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algale wrote:I think you won't find any more thoughtful and eloquent an answer to your question than these words of wisdom from our forum member, Shipwright, who blogged about this over on the Lumberjocks website:

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/27373

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/27390

Be forewarned: Shipwright is an exceptional talent. So, like they say in those diet commercials, "Results not typical." But he knows what he's talking about because he's got two shops: one fully equipped with top of the line stand alone tools and one outfitted with a Shopsmith. Read what he has to say about them.

Al
WWWOOOWWW! :eek: Exceptional is right! Amazing projects he's done.
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Maybe not as precise as some may think it is not. I've made bookcases, desks, pirate and treasure chest and picture frames of various sizes all on my shopsmith. I can't speak for all, but I think if the user takes the time to properly set up and use it correctly, it is just as accurate as any other saw. Is that political enough? I have made the moldings of my picture frames on the table saw, made the rabbets and mitres. Some folks will ask me what kind of blade I used. It's not the blade, it is the user. If you really want to know the accuracy of the table saw, make some 4 X 5 picture frames and see how accurate it is. :D :p

Below are pics of my most difficult task so far on any tools. Solid oak strips cut on the band saw. Sanded by the disk sander because my hands are not steady, to a consistant width over all the length.

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OK, got it to work. First pic is oak stips of 1/2" and sanded with the disk sander to 4 degrees on adjoining sides. No, I'm not good at figuring the angles, but this is approx.
Second pic is where these strips are glued and nailed to each other. Every other one is nailed to the 1/2" round underneath. You can see in this pic that I did some sanding after staining. Not the smartest. But, this is pretty precise and if I had done better calculations, it would have been spot on. :)
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pieceseeker wrote:...
The whole reason I jumped into this thread is because I have just a little bit of reservations yet on the accuracy of the SS. ... I guess I'm sorta looking for reasonable comparisons to dedicated table saws like a PM or Uni. I aspire to build fine furniture some day. Not a lot of furniture, but what I do build, I want to build right. I want joints and tops to be precise, square, flat and strong.

I do have a lot of patience and I like a job well done. I always say any professional looking job is all in the details.
Okay, here comes the $0.012 (adjusted for inflation):

The SS can deliver all the accuracy you can use, to deliver the best you can imagine. No question in my mind.

But that's a loaded 'can' there. It is impossible to make a fair comparison to another machine. The Mark V is unique. Please understand "unique": unique is, well, unique]single[/I].

The MV was not made to be a dedicated anything. If one insists on trying to make a comparison with such a thing one is doomed to disappointment. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is worse, less than, not as good as or, for that matter, better than a dedicated (fill in the blank).
Because it's, well, unique.

For instance, a brief perusal of the instruction sheet on a nice Dedicated Table Saw will not reveal references to adding connector tubes and Auxiliary tables and tying them (en masse) to your Extension table and cinching them down (a matter of a minute er two onct yer used to it) to produce a work platform as rigid as one can possibly require for extrEEme accuracy and repeatability.
But that is indeed possible in the case w/ MV.
Does this make the MV less than the dedicated machine?
No. (Just try setting up the DTS into Drill Press or Latha mode in less than 5 or 6 minutes!)

Also consider, the MV was meant to have that stuff attached to it in Table Saw mode. That is neither oops, accident or work-around. You might say that is the "default" position, where a quick rip or few can be done, and well, on just the bare Main table (like a DTS)-- a bonus!

I mean, to be fair, one shouldn't any more try to crosscut a 10 foot 2x8 with a DTS on free-rolling caster base than with a MV in full (faux) DTS mode, n'est pas?

Others have mentioned it before- {it would be hard to have mentioned it in the future, no?} the short time spent preparing / configuring for an operation can also be used mentally reviewing one's plan of attack (or defense!), and is not only beneficial but pleasant.

Note: when you think of configuring for a cut, think of what makes that DTS convenient and accurate- all of its parts are already rigidly tied together (motor to the base, 'table' to the base, extensions to the table and base, yada yada- should the MV do less?)

End of Spiel.

except, this is 'imho', of course
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algale wrote:...over on the Lumberjocks website:

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/27373...l
WOW!
I want one of those!

Hm, I think I saw an ad...

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swampgator wrote:...
I have tried to post a couple of pics showing that I had cut 3/4" strips and made them into a barrel top for a chest, but it keeps telling me the pics are too big. Hmmmph! Will resize them and try again later.
resize-- if you have Windows, Paint has a nice n ez resize function. Try about 37% and see what it looks like. SS wants less than or equal to 800 x 600.
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keakap wrote:resize-- if you have Windows, Paint has a nice n ez resize function. Try about 37% and see what it looks like. SS wants less than or equal to 800 x 600.
Try Irfanview. Free bee download. Lotsa other good editing stuff as well.
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keakap wrote:resize-- if you have Windows, Paint has a nice n ez resize function. Try about 37% and see what it looks like. SS wants less than or equal to 800 x 600.

Duplicate! Sorry!!!!!
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Got those pics up. Here it is: http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showpos ... stcount=33

Thanks for the ideas. Already use Irfanview. I like it best.
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JPG40504 wrote:Try Irfanview. Free bee download. Lotsa other good editing stuff as well.
Yowzuh! I've had that Irfanview on my old machine for so long I forgot it is there. Very nice program, for a number of functions.
Thanks for the reminder.
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