Help making a dust collector

Forum for people who are new to woodworking. Feel free to ask questions or contribute.

Moderator: admin

fgrule
Gold Member
Posts: 138
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:22 am
Location: Knoxville,Tennessee

Post by fgrule »

joedw00 wrote:They are 2 1/2" I forgot I had to use a adapter so it would go over it and the hose would slide in the adapter. I thought if I liked the way it work I would get one of these, and make a lid for it with some way to latch it down. It would be heavy enough that it would not move around like the bucket does. Put a trash bag in it, and throw the bag away.
Joe,
Regarding the drum, make sure it's strong. These systems are very prone to collapsing them. I've collapsed several seemingly sturdy 5 gallon buckets. Finally gave in and got the Oneida metal drum.

Fred
User avatar
heathicus
Platinum Member
Posts: 2648
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 am
Location: WhoDat Nation

Post by heathicus »

If making a home made dust collector, does a typical 5-HP Shop Vac have enough "sucking power" to remove fine dust particles? Mine sure doesn't seem to have enough sucking power, even with a clean/new filter.

Merely adding in a cyclone or a Thein baffle doesn't do anything to increase the "sucking power," does it?
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
fgrule
Gold Member
Posts: 138
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:22 am
Location: Knoxville,Tennessee

Post by fgrule »

heathicus wrote:If making a home made dust collector, does a typical 5-HP Shop Vac have enough "sucking power" to remove fine dust particles? Mine sure doesn't seem to have enough sucking power, even with a clean/new filter.

Merely adding in a cyclone or a Thein baffle doesn't do anything to increase the "sucking power," does it?
Not even close. You need something on the order of a 5HP compressor motor and (240V). We are talking about a BIG, powerful motor!

And adding a cyclone or Thein baffle won't get the dangerous fine stuff.It will help keep your filter from loading up as fast. They are a nice edition.

If you want more info, read about dust collection on Bill Pentz's site.

Fred
User avatar
db5
Platinum Member
Posts: 1192
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:20 pm
Location: Oklahoma City

Post by db5 »

rpd wrote:Great news!
The book, "Understanding Women," is now out in paperback!
][ATTACH]18193[/ATTACH]


Ordered this last week and I'm disappointed. I expected the complete unabridged edition and this turned out to be the Cliff's Notes.
User avatar
stephen_a._draper
Gold Member
Posts: 258
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:08 pm
Location: Bellevue, Nebraska
Contact:

Shopmate AE-0133 Super Quiet Dust Collection System

Post by stephen_a._draper »

I still use this unit. It is great! The specs are 1.7 HP (peak) two stage bypass motor, 6.4 amps, 102 CFM, 80" static pressure. It holds 20 gallons. I have the optional cloth filter which makes it truly a dust collection system. I bought it new 30 years ago and it still works like new!
Shopsmith Mark 4, Mark 7, Mark 5 shorty, planer, bandsaw, jointer, belt sander. Grizzly central dust collection 4" PVC trunk. Shopsmith Routing System stand-alone overhead pin router.

Stephen A. Draper
Author of Mark 4/7/520™ Self-Study Course ©2025
User avatar
robinson46176
Platinum Member
Posts: 4182
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:00 pm
Location: Central Indiana (Shelbyville)

Post by robinson46176 »

While I generally agree with the expert(s) quoted I think common sense MUST prevail or we should all just get rid of our shops, not plan on enjoying anything and just sit back and wait for "something" to kill us since everything around us has no other purpose... :rolleyes:
I have said many times on this forum that I am many times more concerned with the fine breathable dust in the air (that smoky looking cloud) than the chips that fall on the floor.
I have a lot of experience with dust of all kinds. As a life long farmer I have spent zillions of hours working in very extreme levels of dust of all kinds. Many of those huge clouds of dust contained some pretty toxic crap. Sitting out there for long hours on an open tractor tilling dry soil often had me in clouds so dense that even short range visibility was a problem. I started doing that work at age nine... Lots of freaky stuff lives in our soils. Lots of pathogens, fungi, molds and decomposing matter. At about age 12 I took over most of the feed grinding which was once or twice a week. I belted up a tractor to a hammer mill and ground feed for a dairy herd of about 45 and a few hundred hogs. Lots and lots of dust, some of it from moldy grain. Most folks have no idea of how much mold and crap is in what appears to be quite clean grain. Have you ever worked with an extra dusty batch of hay that got rained on? I have many times... But even the clean smelling fresh stuff is full of toxic dust of many kinds. At harvest for grains there are a zillion kinds of blights, rust etc. in that big cloud that hovers around a combine. Then there are those clouds of pesticides I worked in for many years... Still at 71 my lungs are pretty decent and will probably not be what kills me...
After spending 20 years also in the shoe repair business I have an additional huge exposure history to leather dust (some of it pretty nasty stuff) rubber dust and a huge amount of very toxic adhesives and solvent fumes. I consider myself to be very lucky to have so far dodged that bullet... In that shop I vented everything I could outside and that is my plan for my current woodshop.
When I say common sense I'm talking about just not freaking out over a little wood dust if you smoke 3 packs a day like one of my BIL's... :rolleyes: Who also drinks waaaay too much...
I learned in my shoe repair shops that venting outside did not cost me nearly as much as I expected in extra heating cost. Most of the time the shop was already warm and the amount of time that dust making machinery was running was actually fairly small and since there was a lot of warm concrete and steel in the shop the temps didn't drop all that much and what did drop recovered quickly (as in minutes).
When I got more serious about my woodshop I bought one of the Harbor Freight 2 HP dust collectors. Then as those things tend to happen :rolleyes: One of my son's co-workers bought a new house and moved. He had one of the Penn State 1-1/2 HP collectors like new that he didn't have room for and he offered it to me for $50... How do you turn something like that down? :)
I have been just using them as free-standing dust collectors so far but I want to get the bigger one sat up on a collection line with an outside exhaust very soon, as in maybe during January (my bypass surgeon should greatly reduce most of my restrictions next Thursday). I will run the line into a small grove of pine trees. This is a farm, I have no close neighbors.
In our case where we heat with a wood burning furnace (which sits in the woodshop) it is just a matter of tossing a few more pieces of wood in. Of course I will also need to bring in replacement clean air (from the attic) while the collector is running which will feed into the furnace cold air return. Otherwise the furnace would likely leak smoke when the collector was running. I was surprised at how little of a problem that was in the shoe shops but this house is a lot tighter than most of them were.
The common paper dust masks do not seal well due to my beard and I would probably just not do woodworking if I had to wear a heavy double respirator to do it... Last week I had my wife pick me up a box of ear-loop surgical mask which fit over my beard and have a bendable top strip to improve fit at the nose. Those are going to become a standard part of the woodshop.
I also want to build a ceiling mounted air scrubber for the shop to run most of the time I am there.
I just don't really give a rats behind about the coarser stuff that falls quickly to the floor... I spend much of my time clomping around the woods, across frozen ground full of deep horse tracks and in several barns full of meadow muffins, I don't consider a few woodchips a major fall hazard... :rolleyes:


.
--
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
User avatar
JPG
Platinum Member
Posts: 35600
Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Location: Lexington, Ky (TAMECAT territory)

Post by JPG »

Good to observe the 'operation' has not altered one certain farmer's perspective;), nor added any reluctance to share it!:):cool:
╔═══╗
╟JPG ╢
╚═══╝

Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10
E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
User avatar
robinson46176
Platinum Member
Posts: 4182
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:00 pm
Location: Central Indiana (Shelbyville)

Post by robinson46176 »

[quote="JPG40504"]Good to observe the 'operation' has not altered one certain farmer's perspective]



Some day they will stuff me in a box and sit some flowers around but they shouldn't expect getting the lid shut and fastened to be an easy job... :D :D :D :D


.
--
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
Post Reply