So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
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So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
As most here know I am actively searching for answers and history relative to Shopsmith, the early years, the transitional years and collecting documents to restore along the way that I restore and share.
Some including yours truly have asked the question "So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table in his 5 in 1 original invention in 1947?"
As I research old tools I occasionally find some breadcrumbs, and so it was this week when I was researching tools in 1947 time period. I found that the Sears Bench Saw 103.0213 in Nov 1947 sported you guessed it, a tilting table opposed to a tilting arbor.
And knowing that, and the success that Sears marketing in the day produced market share, I can see why he went there for a saw that started life as a drill press, tilted back into a horizontal boring machine, that spawned the Shopsmith brand so many decades ago. I found it interesting, and thought you might as well.
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Everett
Some including yours truly have asked the question "So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table in his 5 in 1 original invention in 1947?"
As I research old tools I occasionally find some breadcrumbs, and so it was this week when I was researching tools in 1947 time period. I found that the Sears Bench Saw 103.0213 in Nov 1947 sported you guessed it, a tilting table opposed to a tilting arbor.
And knowing that, and the success that Sears marketing in the day produced market share, I can see why he went there for a saw that started life as a drill press, tilted back into a horizontal boring machine, that spawned the Shopsmith brand so many decades ago. I found it interesting, and thought you might as well.
Kindest Regards,
Everett
Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
Thanks Everett. Very interesting. I never knew Craftsman had a tilting table saw and boy does it looks like a compact unit. I tried to see if there was a patent for the tilting table by Sears, but I came up empty on my internet search. I don't know if there is one or not, but I guess it makes sense that Craftsman, for some reason, didn't patent the tilting table because a few years later Magna also had one (unless they licensed it). Anyway, in scouting around, I came across this website with a full online woodworking book for anyone that is interested, but it also has a fairly detailed section on Shopsmith and Hans Goldschmidt. I am guessing there is no new information here and this website is probably known to the Shopsmith forum already, but just wanted to pass along the link just in case it is not.
Hans Goldschmidt and his Shopsmith:
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/appendix_22.htm
A History of Tilting Arbor Saws:
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/
A History of Woodworking: free online book
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/
Hans Goldschmidt and his Shopsmith:
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/appendix_22.htm
A History of Tilting Arbor Saws:
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/
A History of Woodworking: free online book
http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/
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Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
The tilting band saw table was not invented by Sears .The. idea came from wood ship building . because of the heavy timbers. Moving the heavy timbers through the snglee blade was saffer
Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
The OP never said band saw.Chipcarver wrote:The tilting band saw table was not invented by Sears .The. idea came from wood ship building . because of the heavy timbers. Moving the heavy timbers through the snglee blade was saffer
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Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
I have seen it before and it has a good bit of information from a variety of sources. I have striven to collect all sorts of information on the people and the projects, patents and technology.
I have a heretofore unpublished manuscript from Hans and will include that in my upcoming Shopsmith Book. Slow research.
Thanks for re-sharing these links so new folks can review them as they learn of this remarkable company brand and the companies who owned it through the years. There is more and its fun finding it.
Everett
I have a heretofore unpublished manuscript from Hans and will include that in my upcoming Shopsmith Book. Slow research.
Thanks for re-sharing these links so new folks can review them as they learn of this remarkable company brand and the companies who owned it through the years. There is more and its fun finding it.
Everett
Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
Okay, I think I might have found what is likely the original patent (US #1,742,644) on the tilting table for table saws or other woodworking machinery. Assuming this was a utility type patent and if so, this patent expired shortly before the Sears Bench Saw 103.0213 came out (17 years on utility patents back then). Coincidence? Probably not. This patent was filed by the Boice brothers at Boice-Crane company.
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Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
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Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
So were there tilting arbor saws before the 1940's? Certainly not for the home hobbyist.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
John,jsburger wrote:So were there tilting arbor saws before the 1940's? Certainly not for the home hobbyist.
Are you referring to my post with the Boice patent? If so, that is a tilting table in the patent, not a tilting arbor...
Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
Yes I know that and I am not referring to your post. My question still stands.RFGuy wrote:John,jsburger wrote:So were there tilting arbor saws before the 1940's? Certainly not for the home hobbyist.
Are you referring to my post with the Boice patent? If so, that is a tilting table in the patent, not a tilting arbor...
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
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Hooper, UT
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Re: So why would Hans Goldschmidt select to tilt the table
Then there is this ancient saw that I am restoring that has a tilting rip fence! Table to blade angle fixed at 90.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange