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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:32 pm
by idcook
dusty wrote:What ever are you talking about? What do mean - can't get it back together? There is no reason we can't get it back together. I'm a slow moving old man and I have torn down and put two back together successfully.

The only problems I had were when I dropped something (I do that a lot) and had trouble finding it.

Putting it all back together is not the problem. Sometimes getting it all apart is. We've already been there haven't we.

The video just referenced is a good thing to review before starting.

Maybe this is why I brought the discussion here. I think what I probably wanted to know most was whether or not folks understand the task less daunting than it first seems. I mean… The thing was cuttin’ then kerplunk.

I imagine somewhere in there a slight sense of guilt for having caused that got hold of me. :eek:

Thanks Dusty. I BELIEVE!!!! LOL

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:33 pm
by joshh
idcook wrote:Maybe this is why I brought the discussion here. I think what I probably wanted to know most was whether or not folks understand the task less daunting than it first seems. I mean… The thing was cuttin’ then kerplunk.

I imagine somewhere in there a slight sense of guilt for having caused that got hold of me. :eek:

Thanks Dusty. I BELIEVE!!!! LOL


It is WAY less daunting than it first seems

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:36 pm
by BuckeyeDennis
idcook wrote: However, it’s clear I’d be doing myself an injustice if I didn’t give it all I can and then decide where the situation stands before ceding the effort to someone else.
This is a most interesting thread. Not in the least because no one has asked you what YOU enjoy. Is it fine wood working? Or restoring vintage machinery? Or perhaps both? (I do believe that most of the denizens of this forum fall into the "both" category.) The single best path to the restoration of your headstock depends on your honest answer to these questions.

What did you like most about the chuck-extraction adventure? What did you like least? Are your outstanding communication skills a hint as to your day job? ;)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:36 am
by idcook
[quote="BuckeyeDennis"]This is a most interesting thread. Not in the least because no one has asked you what YOU enjoy. Is it fine wood working? Or restoring vintage machinery? Or perhaps both? (I do believe that most of the denizens of this forum fall into the "both" category.) The single best path to the restoration of your headstock depends on your honest answer to these questions.

What did you like most about the chuck-extraction adventure? What did you like least? Are your outstanding communication skills a hint as to your day job? ]

'lo Dennis,

Your questions threaten to inspire a screed about my entire life. However, I’ll try to keep it simple.

Since childhood I’ve been inclined to make things. Loved to draw pictures, build things and fix things. But I can be near tyrannical about the results — When something is fixed I like it to stay fixed and take a dim view toward anyone who causes damage. “Lady, I told you that the toilet is not a garbage disposal and the next time I find walnut shells and mailing envelopes in there will be the last time I fix it as it’s only hope of survival will be your inability to reach it.” (A huge problem in my marriage. It was just about impossible to set up and keep a workshop. Two weeks away each month meant that, signage and locks notwithstanding, I would regularly arrive home to find the shop converted to a lounge and I repeatedly purchased tools that I already owned but couldn’t find. Things got so that I could probably have found a screwdriver under a pillow while mowing the lawn. How any of it got there I’d never know.)

I was always much inclined to solving gnarly problems. Aunts used to love to have me work at untangling all the baubles in their jewelry boxes, and I loved to do it. Spending hours peering into the mass to find just the right link to tug free two or three necklaces from the Gordian Knot they were part of.

I’ve always been an avid reader (Dickens, Carroll, Stan Lee, etc.) and these, along with my passion for visual art, led me to a career in advertising and publishing. Work that usually starts with a blank page and a bundle of ideas that need to be organized in a way that helps people to understand whatever it is the seller or author is trying to communicate.

Nowadays, I got an entire basement and backyard all to myself. I’ve been gathering tools and machines to help make repairs to this odd little house and, no matter how messy, I enjoy every bit of it. I’m evaluating squeaky stairs, some sloppily installed copper tubing, a sorely ignored backyard… all just begging to be made beautiful and functional.

When I read boards in this forum regarding some concern, say a fella trying to control lathe shavings, I immediately designed a system that I felt might handle the problem. (Being a newbie I kept it to myself and, besides, he’d come up with a solution of his own.) I might build it if I ever get around to using the lathe.

If I hadn’t had to return to the office I’d likely have just hopped into repairing this Gilmer without much concern about my ability to do the work. Though I have wondered if I’d do it so well as Anderson. (I’ll probably order his CDs.)

When dealing with the stuck chuck what I liked least is that it was stuck. What I liked most was coming up with ways to unstick it. I actually sat here and designed my own puller; only to discover that the exact same thing was already available at Autozone. Fortunately, I was able to undo the chuck before reinventing the wheel as it were.

It’s being away from the machine for the first time since I got it that brought on a sense of doubt, and maybe a lingering feeling that I might return home to find it had been scattered by a woman who’d decided it works well as a shoe rack… but that’s not likely to happen.

Thanks for asking. :D

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:46 am
by idcook
Oh yeah… and my most deeply suppressed desire is to be a tap dancer. LOL

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:35 am
by BuckeyeDennis
Good decision! We look forward to your future Shopsmith-repair endeavours, AND the things that you will make with it. An excellent adventure! :)

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:46 am
by frank81
Here are my two cents on the issue.

The ShopSmith engineering is creative and different, but the mechanics of it are fairly simple. It's an electric motor, pulleys, gears, and bearings. Nothing to be afraid of, individually you can tackle them just avoid being overwhelmed by thinking about all of it at once.

Mechanical restoration work is mostly patience as you are already seeing. You have to dissassemble without breaking anything, so you might get stuck on a single screw and spend 2 days removing it safely.

Stay organized. I'm a big fan of putting everything in ziplock bags and labeling with a magic marker.

When you reassemble, don't force anything (unless you're driving in a bearing). It's just like putting a puzzle back together, and you have diagrams and help on this board when you get stuck.

Never pay someone else to do what you can do yourself.

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:22 am
by idcook
frank81 wrote:Here are my two cents on the issue.

The ShopSmith engineering is creative and different, but the mechanics of it are fairly simple. It's an electric motor, pulleys, gears, and bearings. Nothing to be afraid of, individually you can tackle them just avoid being overwhelmed by thinking about all of it at once.

Mechanical restoration work is mostly patience as you are already seeing. You have to dissassemble without breaking anything, so you might get stuck on a single screw and spend 2 days removing it safely.

Stay organized. I'm a big fan of putting everything in ziplock bags and labeling with a magic marker.

When you reassemble, don't force anything (unless you're driving in a bearing). It's just like putting a puzzle back together, and you have diagrams and help on this board when you get stuck.

Never pay someone else to do what you can do yourself.

Thus spake Zarathriftra! ;)

Thanks Frank. I’ll definitely employ strictest organization from start to finish. Nothing irks me so much as misplacing pieces to anything. Consternation besets me even for misplaced keys. Since I believe, somewhere within the recesses of my mind, that I put them in exactly the same places at every hour of every day. It’s certain I’ll be near totally surgical for the sake of my own sanity while working on this headstock.

I’ll be alright.

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:27 am
by dusty
Helping you find items that you have misplaced or that took legs and moved themselves is not something that we can help you with. That is not to say that it never happens in my shop but I have gotten used to it. I have multiples of items that I need only one of for that very reason.

Allen wrenches and 6" rules are good examples. Pencils are another.:rolleyes:

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:11 pm
by idcook
dusty wrote:Helping you find items that you have misplaced or that took legs and moved themselves is not something that we can help you with. That is not to say that it never happens in my shop but I have gotten used to it. I have multiples of items that I need only one of for that very reason.

Allen wrenches and 6" rules are good examples. Pencils are another.:rolleyes:
’lo Dusty! :)

Missing allen wrenches, rulers and pencils (in the computer era anyway) never surprise me. That said, I too have a surfeit of those same items.

Of course, like most people, I strive to keep misplaced items to a minimum.