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Sketchup/Cutlist Plug-in Bug/Limitation

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:58 pm
by tom_k/mo
For those of you that work (or want to work) with SketchUP and the CutList 4.0 plug-in, I've identified a limitation with the application that I'd like to share.

If you draw a project in which all the piece-parts are "normal" (edges align with an X, Y or Z axis) you're OK. If you are drawing a project in which a part is angled or oblique, you will experience an "oddity" with CutList. For some reason, CutList can take parts that are built upon the top, front, or side surfaces and automatically rotate them into a flat pattern in the same plane and determine a cutting pattern, but if the part is angled, or oblique it will calculate a "bounding box" around the item with the normal X, Y and Z axes, and place THAT in the flat pattern. This can cause unintended consequences.

Example 1: I'm drawing a Library Chair, and the picture below is the 3 crossbars across the backrest of the chair. They are all 2.25" x 15" made of 3/4" material. The parts are rotated slightly as they go up the backrest of the chair. Looking at the attached pic, you'll see that CutList created a bounding box around each of the parts that are normal to the X, Y and Z axes. What this did, was create 3 different pieces in the CutList diagram, each piece was 14" wide, but each piece was a different height and thickness. This also placed each piece on a separate board in the CutList diagram, each board being a different thickness.
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Example 2: In the same Library Chair model, there's a leg piece that is angled as shown below. Again, it created a bounding-box normal to the X, Y and Z axes, and the resulting diagram showed a piece 11" wide by 16" high, instead of rotating the item normal to the axes where you'd have a piece 1-1/2" wide by 19" long. This caused 2 problems, first, inefficient use of the wood, and second, the grain wouldn't be running "with" the part, reducing strength.
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I've found a workable solution to these limitations... I make extensive use of "scenes" and "layers" in SketchUp. I create a scene of the assembled part (as built) and create a second copy of angled or oblique objects in the model that have been rotated on axes. The assembled view is stored in one scene, the second scene I hide (or turnoff visibility to the layer) of the oblique or angled parts and display the rotated copies. I call that scene the CutList scene. Then before I run CutList, I display the CutList scene, do a Ctrl-A (Select All) and run CutList as normal. It then works fine.

Sandcarver

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:05 pm
by paul269
Tom,

I was looking at the sandcarver link you listed on your post. How are you able to make the etchings on the wood products? I enjoy making pens and have though it would be nice to engrave the recipients name on the pen box but don’t know how.

Thanks

Paul

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:33 pm
by tom_k/mo
Paul, wood works just like sandcarving glass or stone. I create a mask (usually of sign vinyl) with a vinyl cutter/plotter, and affix it to the wood, then sandcarve it. I usually finish the wood first, then after sandcarving I'll apply a coat of darker stain to it which just absorbs into the sandcarved area before removing the mask.

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:08 pm
by kd6vpe
So I am new to this sketchup experience. I made a model of a fireplace mantel I want to build. I have sketupup 7 on XP. I just downloaded cutlist 4.0 and extracted it into the google/sketchup/plugin directory. When I start up sketchup I dont see the plugin menu anywhere. What am I doing wrong please.

Oh Im using the woodworkers template is that a problem??
OK learning and answering my own questions. I added ruby script examples and how have the plugin menu option but no cutlist, cost???

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:30 pm
by tom_k/mo
If you did extract it to the correct location, it should be available under the PlugIns menu the next time you start SketchUp. Here's where you should find it.

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PS: Ignore my extra toolbars...

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:35 pm
by kd6vpe
You are the man. Who would have guessed I had to restart the application.
Geez I think Charlese was right with his old paper drawings. This is fun though thank you I have it now.

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:05 am
by Shop_Smith_Poppi
I took some drafting classes in High School and then again in College but I have tried and tried to figure out Sketch up and a different program i bought called Punch Home design that allows you to make all kinds of drawings.

But i just have yet to figure it out. I would love to be able to work such a program as I have many ideals that I would like to try out on them.

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:20 am
by tom_k/mo
Poppi, If you have questions on SketchUp, I'm sure there are a number of us here on the forum that would be glad to help you out. Just be aware, ask 3 people, you're likely to get 3 different answers. There's always more than one way ot constuct a model, the trick is learning which one works best for you.

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:44 am
by kd6vpe
Tom well put,
I now have some kind of internet explorer trouble when I click on the cutlist plugin I get and ie error. Not sure yet why. My computer is not the best one out there and I use compuserve as my isp it is a propietary browser so this may be my problem any ideas. I'm getting closer though. I don't really need the cutlist for this project just thought it would be fun. Thanks in advance for being the wall to bonce off of.

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:38 am
by Shop_Smith_Poppi
Do you use IE as your browser or some other browser?

I would recommend that you try installing FireFox as your browser it is the best I have found.