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Table alignment with disc sander?

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:04 pm
by paul heller
All the references I have seen about table alignment refer to using the saw blade. What about the disc sander? Its diameter is a bit larger and one could therefore take readings with the dial indicator over a greater length, leading to more accuracy. And one would not have to worry about using the same tooth.

This seems like it would be ok with my disc sander because the velcro on mine is not dead center and there is a gap around the edge on one side. The gap is wide enough for the pin of the dial indicator to get a good contact directly on the metal. Even if you did not have room around the velcro, I could imagine you could clamp a small piece of metal on the back of the disc and take a reading on it.

Would this work, or is the disc sander too inaccurate?

Sorry if this has been asked before. I tried a search but could not find it.


Paul

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:46 pm
by charlese
Paul - I think I read something about alignment of the saw table using the disk sander. In fact, as I remember this was a recommended method.

Do it! You can always check later to see how close you are to a saw blade. My guess is, you will be right on.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:51 pm
by paulmcohen
When I got my original 500 it said to align the tables with the disk sander, but once you put paper on it that becomes problematic. The manual said to mark a spot on the disk with a grease pencil. I have purchased a precision flat plate and I have been using it with the Shopsmith dial indicator with great success.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:30 am
by woodburner
It is better to use a saw blade for this alignment. The sanding discs that come with the machines now are not guaranteed to be perfectly flat. A saw blade will always be more flat.

After using the sanding disc for a while, the heat buildup on the disc will warp the sanding disc a bit more than what a saw blade will warp, making the disc less acurate for alignment purposes.

Table alignment with disc sander

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:52 am
by dusty
Yes, you can use the sanding disc and your alignment will be as good as your disc is perfectly flat.

Yes, you can use a saw blade (or precison flat) and your alignment will be as good as your saw blade is perfectly flat.

When I got my Shopsmith, I was taught (by Shopsmith) to use my sanding disc. I was instructed to find the hi spot (mark it) and use that spot on the disc for my alignments. It worked for many years and still would but I now use the blade in the same manner. Why? Because it's there, already mounted.

Incidently, I believe you can use any spot on any disc or blade with equal results as long as you use the same spot.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:08 am
by paul heller
Thanks for all of your responses. I'm going to try the disc next time.

Paul

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:23 am
by Ed in Tampa
My alignment instructions that came with my machine specifies using the sanding disk. I used it until just lately when Nick gave us new instructions on how to align the SS, in which he specified using a blade.

I think the sanding disk is probably superior since you don't have to contend with blade teeth. However I also understand the concern about disks that are not perfectly flat and etc.

That said, since the alignment procedure specifies marking the high spot and using it as check point it really doesn't matter if the disk is flat or not. The only way the high point could/should change is if the actual spindle/arbor changed as it turned.

Ed

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:02 pm
by james.miller
The part about the disc being flat is in reference to adjusting the table in drill press mode to put the table perpendicular to the spindle, front to back and side to side.

In the horizontal boring mode with the table set 90 degrees to the spindle.
Adjust front to back clearance with shims between the trunnion and the table until it is parallel with the blade. Side to side use the 90 degree stops to adjust until parallel with the blade. Then go to table saw mode and align the miter slot to the blade and finally align the fence with the miter bar.

Read Nick's post on aligning the table at http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... 61#post761 it's very good