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Misnaming of woodworking machines

heathicus

I see people refer to woodworking machines by "wrong" names frequently, but especially it seems on Craig's List. And I can't help but wonder why? I'm assuming it's a phonetic spelling of a mis-pronunciation, but it just seems so obvious that it's wrong - to me any way.

The two most frequent examples are:

lay - instead of lathe

ban saw - instead of band saw

And then there's the instances of a jointer being referred to as a planer. But I can understand that one since a jointer is called a planer in the UK and other countries, and the name can be traced back to the "jointer plane" hand plane. So it doesn't bug me near as much as "lay" and "ban saw."

frank81

heathicus wroteI see people refer to woodworking machines by "wrong" names frequently, but especially it seems on Craig's List. And I can't help but wonder why? I'm assuming it's a phonetic spelling of a mis-pronunciation, but it just seems so obvious that it's wrong - to me any way.

The two most frequent examples are:

lay - instead of lathe

ban saw - instead of band saw

And then there's the instances of a jointer being referred to as a planer. But I can understand that one since a jointer is called a planer in the UK and other countries, and the name can be traced back to the "jointer plane" hand plane. So it doesn't bug me near as much as "lay" and "ban saw."

They do that with everything. Half the population that uses Craigslist where I live can barely read and they are spelling it phonetically. They don't just type "ban saw" that's the way they say it too. That's what rednecks do. I happen to like it because after the first day it falls off the first page and no body is going to find their ad in search, so you can scoop it up cheap.

I noticed this one last night too, and thought you might like it. I was real close to telling her Black & Decker "thingies" only go for a third of that.

http://springfield.craigslist.org/tld/3585044264.html

joshh

I don't think it's just wordworking terms. It's because as a society we are de-evolving. Have you seen the movie idiocracy? It's an accurate glimpse of our future :)

We have dumbed down our education system so much. Did you know that to get an average SAT score, you only to answer half the questions right....

Similar things that idiots type/say:

Your instead of you're

There instead of their

Could care less instead of couldn't care less

Then there is the mother of all stupid expressions..."my bad"

frank81

joshh wroteI don't think it's just wordworking terms. It's because as a society we are de-evolving. Have you seen the movie idiocracy? It's an accurate glimpse of our future :)

We have dumbed down our education system so much. Did you know that to get an average SAT score, you only to answer half the questions right....

Similar things that idiots type/say:

Your instead of you're

There instead of their

Could care less instead of couldn't care less

Then there is the mother of all stupid expressions..."my bad"

Grammar is one thing, especially if its using the wrong homonym in written text. Not knowing the correct noun, written or spoken, is a whole different animal.

I see "joiner" instead of "jointer" more often than I see it referred to as a planer.

It goes beyond woodworking machines. It's pretty common with mechanics tools and older vehicles. I've bought motorcycles that didn't remotely exist, just have to look at the pictures and figure out what it really is. Last bike I bought said "Kawasaki Vetra" and scooped it up 2 hours after it listed. It was actually a KZ1000 with a Vetter fairing (which he read the logo and still couldn't spell right) and was worth about 4x what I paid.

kenbu

More, just to fan the flames :)

Draw instead of drawer

Preventative instead of preventive

Castor instead of caster

Wench instead of winch

I seen instead of I saw

Plural/possessive confusion

When they started calling grammar school middle school, they stopped teaching grammar (and spelling)

joshh

I had an English teacher who had the following rules:

Using either "get" or "got" in an assignment is an automatic zero on the assignment.

Misuse of your/you're, there/their, etc was 30 points off.

They wouldn't let any teacher do this now.

Example: Highland Park (super rich, old money part of Dallas) High School requires that any teacher giving a C or lower average must meet with the student/parents/administration to explain everything the teacher did to prevent the student from getting that low grade :eek:

Guess what...everyone gets a B or higher. The teachers don't want to deal with it and give free grades.

The student learns nothing, goes to SMU (pretty much guaranteed admission for Highland Park students because of their money) and SMU gives them a degree without earning it.

They graduate and are hired by Daddy and friends.

They get an assistant that does EVERYTHING for them (including their job). They are paid millions per year for their lack of knowledge, skills, and work ethic.

Ah, the American dream :rolleyes:

dusty

I do not believe that we should enter into an editorial session on the written works of one another.

We represent many different age groups, many different educational levels and many different parts of the country (world) and a few different languages.

I drink pop when you likely drink soda. I eat taters when you probably eat potatoes. I have a jointer but I know people who have joiners (used to do joinery).

We do have a couple teachers here on the forum, however, who just might volunteer to mark up some of our writings. A request to do so is probably all that would be needed.

heathicus

I have a Bachelor's degree in English, but I know better than to be a "Grammar Nazi" as I catch myself making mistakes with your/you're and their/they're and such from time to time. But it comes from not paying attention rather than not knowing the difference.

And I love regional slang. I don't drink soda or pop. I drink a coke. What kind of coke? Usually Sprite, but sometimes Dr. Pepper.

But I hate shorthand like "u" instead of "you" and "ur" instead of "your/you're".

joshh

heathicus wroteI have a Bachelor's degree in English, but I know better than to be a "Grammar Nazi" as I catch myself making mistakes with your/you're and their/they're and such from time to time. But it comes from not paying attention rather than not knowing the difference.

I usually won't call anyone out for using bad grammar, I was more stating a pet peeve of mine.

heathicus wroteAnd I love regional slang. I don't drink soda or pop. I drink a coke. What kind of coke? Usually Sprite, but sometimes Dr. Pepper.

Ah, you must live in the south :)

heathicus wroteBut I hate shorthand like "u" instead of "you" and "ur" instead of "your/you're".

Ya, I no get it wen peeps abb stuff 2 save 2 keystrokes. Seriously though, I agree completely.

ryanbp01

dusty wroteI do not believe that we should enter into an editorial session on the written works of one another.

We represent many different age groups, many different educational levels and many different parts of the country (world) and a few different languages.

I drink pop when you likely drink soda. I eat taters when you probably eat potatoes. I have a jointer but I know people who have joiners (used to do joinery).

We do have a couple teachers here on the forum, however, who just might volunteer to mark up some of our writings. A request to do so is probably all that would be needed.

Hi Dusty-

As tempting as it is to take the bait, I'm going to pass on this offer. I have enough headaches dealing with grammar in the classroom, not to mention those things children should have learned at home in the first place.

BPR

dusty

ryanbp01 wroteHi Dusty-

As tempting as it is to take the bait, I'm going to pass on this offer. I have enough headaches dealing with grammar in the classroom, not to mention those things children should have learned at home in the first place.

BPR

Hey, I was trolling with bait. I wasn't even issuing an invitation; at least not for myself. I was suggesting that there are some here on the forum who could probably help us if anyone thought it was necessary.

Also, pointing out the grammatical errors of others hardly ever wins friends and never influences people favorably.

Ed in Tampa

heathicus wroteI see people refer to woodworking machines by "wrong" names frequently, but especially it seems on Craig's List. And I can't help but wonder why? I'm assuming it's a phonetic spelling of a mis-pronunciation, but it just seems so obvious that it's wrong - to me any way.

The two most frequent examples are:

lay - instead of lathe

ban saw - instead of band saw

And then there's the instances of a jointer being referred to as a planer. But I can understand that one since a jointer is called a planer in the UK and other countries, and the name can be traced back to the "jointer plane" hand plane. So it doesn't bug me near as much as "lay" and "ban saw."

What I like is how people interchange the word Jig saw using it for Jig saws, scroll saw, fret saws, coping saw, and in some cases reciprocating saws.

joshh

dusty wrote Also, pointing out the grammatical errors of others hardly ever wins friends and never influences people favorably.

I'm sorry if I offended someone. I thought this thread was about Craigslist postings with horrible errors. I wasn't bashing anyone on the forum, but reading the replies it seems as though some think I was. So if I did offend anyone, I apologize.

dusty

joshh wroteI'm sorry if I offended someone. I thought this thread was about Craigslist postings with horrible errors. I wasn't bashing anyone on the forum, but reading the replies it seems as though some think I was. So if I did offend anyone, I apologize.

I don't believe you offended anyone and most especially not I. I get into it much too often to allow myself to be hurt by differing opinions. If fact, I strongly encourage discussion over things that I say and opinions I express. Healthy discussion is an educational process.

I have learned here that religion and politics should be discussed face to face.

Cavediver

My favorite: Radio Alarm Saw

donalexander

unless you think its important to understand what the other person is saying.

There's a difference between saying 'You know your s**t!' and saying 'You know, you're s**t.'

I won't denigrate someone when they butcher the language and 'ax me a kwest-chen' but I instantly know I've got to listen far more carefully and ask questions to get to the relevant information before I respond to what they've "axed" me. Depending on my mood and available time, sometimes it easier to just say, 'I don't know' and move on.

Grammer is boring, in my opinion, but it essential if you plan to communicate effectively.

joshh

Cavediver wroteMy favorite: Radio Alarm Saw

W I N N E R!!

dusty

donalexander wroteunless you think its important to understand what the other person is saying.

There's a difference between saying 'You know your s**t!' and saying 'You know, you're s**t.'

I won't denigrate someone when they butcher the language and 'ax me a kwest-chen' but I instantly know I've got to listen far more carefully and ask questions to get to the relevant information before I respond to what they've "axed" me. Depending on my mood and available time, sometimes it easier to just say, 'I don't know' and move on.

Grammer is boring, in my opinion, but it essential if you plan to communicate effectively.

Yeah, it is boring; grammar that is..

frank81

joshh wroteI'm sorry if I offended someone. I thought this thread was about Craigslist postings with horrible errors. I wasn't bashing anyone on the forum, but reading the replies it seems as though some think I was. So if I did offend anyone, I apologize.

Actually the thread was about confusing the names of things and mislabeling. But once again we saw a squirrel and went off after it. That's the luxury we have when this is a hobby, and why I don't want to ever turn my hobbies into a job.

derekdarling

joshh wroteI don't think it's just wordworking terms. It's because as a society we are de-evolving. Have you seen the movie idiocracy? It's an accurate glimpse of our future :)

Could care less instead of couldn't care less

... unless, of course, they COULD care less, and choose not to.:D