dusty
I really don't know what to think about all of this. The specs for the competition are clearly different but there have been some explanations given to explain that. The difference in the specs may explain the difference in the price but I have some doubts about that. Shopsmith pricing practices, of late, cause me much concern. This concern is not new but $3.95/piece screws, washers and nuts have intensified that concern.
Now we are offered a headstock upgrade that would give us many of the characteristics of the PowerPro but at half the cost. If the controller and motor (supposedly the same motor) can be provided for <$700.00, what explains the price difference. Certainly not a couple better bearings and a new quill.
Is the higher speed range the final explanation for heat problems? I certainly hope now and I have some serious doubts. I find that hard to accept simply because I doubt that many users (who have reported overheat issues) are running at those top end speeds.
I sure would like to see some pictures of the innards of a reworks model.
Hopefully, Shopsmith is tasking note of all of this and doing some serious self evaluation.
As you can see, reading between the lines, I have serious doubts going in either direction. I really love my Shopsmith Model 510 (with 520 table rails and fence).
WileyCoyote
Looking at the photos on their website it doesn't look like it would be difficult at all to relocate the power supply outside the headstock. The price for the kit on their website is $549. The wireless controller is listed for $49.99. They also offer a 3hp version for $899.
http://striatech.mybigcommerce.com/
reible
I guess I have to spell it out. He has the price for a brand new powerpro and yes that is $2159.00 but he is not selling you a brand new machine it is refurbished and it is your machine so the price to compare is for the shopsmith equivalent at $1798.
Given the fact you may need a new quill on the old machine can then be added to his price if that is the case.
Then keep in mind the shopsmith price is list price not what they sell them for at places like Lowes. And also consider that Lowes has a military discount for those qualified so take another 10% off. So while looking at his information it looks a lot better then what it does when you look at the facts.
I'm kind of use to having the chart function, I don't see that as a big deal but one really needs to make up a chart to see what the differences are and how important they are to you, this is likely more of a deal for people who already have a powerpro and have a feel for it rather then someone new.
Ed
dusty
You know, Ed, that my time in the shop these days is spent tinkering rather than "building". You can probably conclude that at my age I am not likely to invest the cost of a new PowerPro (not even a DIY kit). I am content with what I have.
However, this entire thread intrigues me as does the concept. If I could get reliable information about the implementation, I would be tempted. Way back when, I began saving my pocket change for a PowerPro. I have almost enough rat holed to buy one now so I am tempted yet again. It would have to go in the Shorty, if at all, simply because I am attached to the original machine. It has been in the shop much too long to even consider such a change.
You commented earlier in this thread that this gentleman had been a Traveling Academy Instructor. What is his name. I thought I knew them all. I watched the posted videos but never saw his face.
BobCoates1953
Not a expert when it comes to electronics but why couldn't this be adapted to 10er? At 1.75 hp more then the std 1/2 or 3/4 hp. Seems like 56 frame motor mount is available. Put a 3 step pulley (not needed) and might fit? This is like what Skip offers?
JPG
BobCoates1953 wroteNot a expert when it comes to electronics but why couldn't this be adapted to 10er? At 1.75 hp more then the std 1/2 or 3/4 hp. Seems like 56 frame motor mount is available. Put a 3 step pulley (not needed) and might fit? This is like what Skip offers?
Somewhat possible, but mounting and physical size may be problematic.
Skip offers DC motors, not DVR motors
Yes there is a huge difference between them.
rpd
BobCoates1953 wroteNot a expert when it comes to electronics but why couldn't this be adapted to 10er? At 1.75 hp more then the std 1/2 or 3/4 hp. Seems like 56 frame motor mount is available. Put a 3 step pulley (not needed) and might fit? This is like what Skip offers?
No reason why it couldn't be, I'm pretty sure it would be cheaper to get the lathe upgrade directly from Nova, you will need to fabricate a mounting plate either way.
https://www.teknatool.com/product/nova-dvr-upgrade-for-1624/
dusty
Not as simple as it sounds. One example: How do you plan to hang the motor? What about pulleys and belts?
mlyoung
Hello Forum Users, Its been years since I was on this forum, but with this alternative PowerPro thing popping up, totally out of the blue, I thought I'd pipe in.
This guy was a rep for a brief time, I believe he was eventually fired by SS. I never met him but saw his sales numbers and I know why he is looking for other avenues of income now. My overall thoughts: I would be very cautious moving forward with thinking about using this set-up.
Mike Young
mlyoung
Don't forget that you can still use the speed decreaser on your PowerPro. I believe I was told that because of the gear ratios in the decreaser, when used on the PP your speed range is 30rpm-250rpm. Don't hold me to that, but I think it is accurate. How slow do you really need to go?
...and yes when I am at a Lowe's I offer financing, sale pricing, and Lowe's promotions too (i.e. military discounts, consumer account discounts).
mlyoung
FYI, this gentleman was not a traveling academy instructor!
dusty
Good Morning, Mike. Merry Christmas. Haven't seen you on the circuit for a long while now. Are you "retired"?
jsburger
I saw Mike at a Lowe's demo in Layton, UT 3 or 4 weeks ago.
ChrisNeilan
He says that he is (now was?) a Shopsmith Salesman/demonstrator, working for Shopsmith. This is stated in a videohe published in 2017 his first video. So he was either an employee of Shopsmith or an outside contractor? Either way, his system gets you thinking. I stay put with my factory powerpro however...
JPG
First, Welcome here(again) Mike Young!
The low speed attained with a PP and speed reducer is 250/7 = 35.7 rpm.
If 'he' talked down to prospective customers as he does in his videos, it would be no surprise to me that he was a starving salesman.
As for his alternative DVR implementation, he(actually teknatool) has eliminated the most onerous negative attributes of the PP.(power off reboot for one and remote is a nice feature), but the upper speed range is not improved over the Reeves drive. It does give the low speed range a significant increase downward.
I for one do not see any advantage of his 'alternative' and do see some potential pitfalls(after sale support is highly questionable).
Come back soon and often Mike!
roy_okc
I think the concept of using this motor is great, but agree with JPG's view above that I would be highly concerned about after sales support. I've also avoided the PowerPro upgrade for much the same reason after seeing these threads of non-response, months to get fixed, etc.
One option that springs to mind is an open source hardware (and software if the OEM unit is programmable) project. Detailed CAD drawings and files that could be used to manually machine or CNC necessary highly unique parts (motor mounts), specifications and suggested sources for pulleys, bearings, and etc., modification templates, instructions, and so forth. Any person or company could offer parts for sale as long as they adhered to the specs, and if deviating from the specs would need to release those new drawings/files back to the project. But owners could take the same freely available specs to a local machine shop and have the same parts made locally. Many of the 3D printers that come in a hard core kit format were developed somewhat this fashion and even some of the more commercial offerings still have some hardware and/or software components that are based on open source.
everettdavis
I started a Separate Thread for this topic: DVR motor for a 10E / 10ER
See
http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewtopic.php?p=255212#p255212
This will allow us to explore that separately since this thread was for a Mark V alternative "Power Pro Competitor" topically
Skip Campbell and others have successfully retrofitted other motors for the 10E / 10ER including re-purposed treadmill motors.
Everett
mlyoung
I'm usually too busy to visit you guys here on the forum. I am in a different city at a different Lowe's all across the country 42-45 weeks a year.
Mike
dusty
Well, I guess that answers my question! You have not yet retired.
Are you the lone-wolf or do you now have partners that do the same?
http://www.shopsmith.com/markvsite/event_schedule.htm
Note that there is no reference to whom the demonstrator might be.
mlyoung
Dusty,
I am definitely the lone wolf. From the 15 events on the SS event schedule, 11 are mine. That’s typical .
Mike
