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Shopsmith ER CR5010 pictures

a1gutterman

heathicus wrote

I don't think it is a P. I think it is an R but the diagonal leg of the R blends in with the oval line around the number.

My money is on you Heath; I think it is an "R" too. I also took another look at mark-b's "C" and I am almost convinced that, although it is a definite "C", it is KNOT part of the original serial number. I think that someone (other then SS/Magna) has stamped that "C" on to that plate. At least it is a reasonable explanation.

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Hey Tim!

Your explanation is reasonable so I went out and scrutinized the "C" It matches the 5010 in size, style and depth, so I really believe that the C was put on along with the other numbers. The one thing that I notice that is that they are stamped deeper than others that I have seen. It appears that they were stamped onto the nameplate after it was installed on the machine. Is there an access hole under the name plate? Perhaps this machine was repaired under warranty and they replaced the plate and the c only means copy. I also know that Magna had vigilent inspections and so maybe the C has something to do with an inspection.

Mark

I also think that "P" is an R, but it is hard to tell from the photos.

a1gutterman

mark-b wroteHey Tim!

Your explanation is reasonable so I went out and scrutinized the "C" It matches the 5010 in size, style and depth, so I really believe that the C was put on along with the other numbers. The one thing that I notice that is that they are stamped deeper than others that I have seen. It appears that they were stamped onto the nameplate after it was installed on the machine. Is there an access hole under the name plate? Perhaps this machine was repaired under warranty and they replaced the plate and the c only means copy. I also know that Magna had vigilent inspections and so maybe the C has something to do with an inspection.

Mark

I also think that "P" is an R, but it is hard to tell from the photos.

Hi Mark,

Take another look at the "C". From the photo, it looks thinner then ANY other of the stamps. IMHO, the letter "C" stamp is knot consistent with the number stamps. Let's hope that someone who really has the answer can shed some light!

heathicus

Mark, is the serial number also stamped into the headstock itself? I'm not sure when they started that. My older model E (factory retrofitted as an ER) does not have the SN stamped into the headstock, but my newer Model ER does. It's on the same side as the headstock, near the bottom on the area where the tube goes through. I'm just curious if it is there and if it matches.

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Here is a picture of the motor tag. Serial # C0

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I received a note from Mr. Erickson who was the lead engineer at Magna about the serial #. While he doesn't know exactly what the "C" means. He seems to think that it is about the time when ShopSmith made some design changes to their machines, but he can't be sure. I'm not suprised that he doesn't remember, that was over 60 years ago. I have problems remembering 60 days ago. I'm not even sure that he is old enough to have worked there in 40's.

My concern at this point is that if I use this machine, even gently. I may be destroying a piece of history. I am an abusive tool user:eek:

cincinnati

easterngray wroteMark - R. J. Decristoforo was the author of POWER TOOL WOODWORKING FOR EVERYONE. In the first edition he used a 10ER. Note the name on his handsome shop coat below...

"Cris" at work on the Shopsmith

Here's an interesting tidbit on the 10ER history:

"The machines made at the San Francisco plant had an "R" in front of the serial number and those at the Cleveland plant had an "E" (for east). The plants evidently kept track so that no numbers were duplicated. If they had kept that pattern up it would have helped a bunch but after serial numbers get to 60000 range they quit putting the prefix on them so you can't tell what plant they were made in. It looks like, annually, production averaged around 20,000."

(quoted from this website: http://www.woodworkinghistory.com/document_11.htm)

Maybe somebody messed up and put a "C" for Cleveland?

The son of R. J. Decristoforo who wrote the book "Power tool woodworking for everyone" is a member of another forum I belong to. Maybe I will drop him a note and see if he has any info.

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I would really appreciate that!

Thank You, Mark

cincinnati

mark-b wroteI would really appreciate that!

Thank You, Mark

I sent him a message. I will report back when I hear from him.

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This is my next machine going onto Craigslist. I am going to parlay my way to a brand new Shopsmith w/ all the bells and whistles someday:rolleyes:

Mark

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mark-b wroteThis is my next machine going onto Craigslist. I am going to parlay my way to a brand new Shopsmith w/ all the bells and whistles someday:rolleyes:

Mark

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Interesting location for the speed changer!

LOOKS GREAT!

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Put it on Craigslist 10 minutes ago, and may already have a buyer @ $750:)

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I loaded up CR5010 today and drove her 30 minutes to her new home, The buyer already had 5 Shopsmiths. One of his SS had a nice 4 jaw chuck, I WANT ONE!!

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mark-b wroteI loaded up CR5010 today and drove her 30 minutes to her new home, The buyer already had 5 Shopsmiths. One of his SS had a nice 4 jaw chuck, I WANT ONE!!

He had FIVE Shopsmiths and he could not believe yours was as old as it was? What models did he have?

JPG

mark-b wrotePut it on Craigslist 10 minutes ago, and may already have a buyer @ $750:)

Is it as 'Blue' as it looks in the pix? That blue is what I remember from 50+ years ago. My 10E is crinkle gray.

Aren't ya glad ya painted the table!

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JPG40504 wroteHe had FIVE Shopsmiths and he could not believe yours was as old as it was? What models did he have?

A little confusion on your part here JPG. Got to admit I am a little confused myself trying to keep all of my SS separated. Perhaps you were distracted figuring Mike's project cuts.:) So the first one I sold was the black one (#56112) he couldnt believe how old it was. He just retired and was going to start some little projects.

The machine I sold yesterday was CR5010. He (a different guy) had 5 and he knew how clean it was. I didnt get a chance to look at which models he had although they were all either E or ER machines. He uses his machines alot and most were set up for a particular function and his garage was rather full of stuff

Mark

And the CR was a dark grey with a very slight hint of blue, but I have seen bluer.

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