robinson46176
Just finished a very nice visit from my only sibling (slightly older sister) from Pensacola who flew up Wednesday. We dropped her off at the airport (Indianapolis) yesterday evening and now I am ready to get back at the move. It is probably going to be an exercise in planned chaos.
I'm still sitting here this morning trying to decide exactly where I want to start... The ideal approach would be to remove absolutely everything from the 24' x 40' basement area I am moving it to and then move everything that I am moving from the current shop to the new one. Just not going to happen. :rolleyes: There is still a lot of stuff stacked in one end of the current shop that does not belong there yet (some of it does not belong anywhere). I don't want to spend a lot of time sorting the stuff stored in the basement shop area so I will move most of it into the existing shop with only quick and dirty sorting and sort it later, probably in the spring. I need to store it in that building pretty well compacted since I still want to keep a little shop stuff (extra tablesaw and some carpentry stuff) there for a few months so I can work on that building and the adjoining house. I will also need to be able to move all of the stuff currently stored in that house to the existing shop between now and spring as well. My western boot rebuilding shop will also need a little space there for a few months as well. That building is 1,400 sq. ft. and the boot shop will only need about 200 sq. ft. and is already stored there so it won't be much of a problem except for the energy to move it around. There are at least 4 pieces that weigh in at about 600 awkward pounds each. Hopefully by spring/early summer that whole building will be all storage. I hate to tie it up but it beats renting a storage unit. We are hoping to have a blow-out yard sale or two next spring. You know, one of those where you sell a box full or two of stuff for a buck or less just to get it to a new home without sending it to a landfill. :) We have a lot of stuff, mostly antiques, that we want to Ebay. Our kids are generally not interested in it so we are going to convert much of it into "traveling money".
Over this week I intend to alternate between clearing out some spaces and making a hole in the basement wall so I can move the stuff in directly instead of carrying it through the house (just not practical). I figure that as soon as I get a hammer, my Ridgid TS-3650 tablesaw and a Shopsmith moved in I can start calling it a shop... :D
From humble beginnings I can then move a batch of stuff out to storage and then move a batch of shop stuff into the empty spot it left until it is done. There is an old joke about "How do you carve an elephant?". You get a huge block of stone and chip off everything that does not look like an elephant... I figure that the same rule applies to shops... :D
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wiredone
I moved into my current shop a year ago and it's still not done being setup the way I originally intended, as that seems to change every day!
SDSSmith
wiredone wroteI moved into my current shop a year ago and it's still not done being setup the way I originally intended, as that seems to change every day!
wiredone, Welcome to Farmer's world!;)
dlbristol
Dang Francis, I am exhausted and I just read about what you are going to do!!!
JPG
dlbristol wroteDang Francis, I am exhausted and I just read about what you are going to do!!!
He ain't gonna DO all of it! Only what he finally(if ever)gets around to(+- mind changing).;)
robinson46176
dlbristol wroteDang Francis, I am exhausted and I just read about what you are going to do!!!
I'll get a good chance to rest while I build a new electric fence around a 20 acre field in a few days. :)
This morning I went down to the basement, looked around and said "where did all of this crap come from..." Then I went down to the current shop building and looked around and said "where did all of this crap come from..." :D
I started moving some stuff around and made some storage plans and made a final decision on how I will deal with keeping my boot shop there until spring. In the spring I want to move it to another building I have that is much closer to the house. I will have to wall the boot shop off temporarily so that clients will not see all of our stored "stuff". I also decided on the heating setup for it. I hope to have it moved before AC time. Then I actually moved some stuff around.
By that time it was time for lunch so that saved me from brain burn-out.
When I go back out I'll start digging for the new basement entry. I could wait and have my son bring home a mini excavator to dig it but it is going to start some heavy rain tomorrow and it looks like rain is going to be slow leaving. Also if I dig it by hand and wheelbarrow the dirt away I will not have a lot of loose dirt in the grass to make mud. We can dig out the big part of the hole with a mini or back-hoe next spring and not have so much mud. Today I will just dig about 5' wide and about 6' deep with the yard end being at a 45 degree angle like I was going to pour a regular set of concrete basement steps. I will probably make a set of temporary wooden steps until spring. They will not get frequent use after the move. I'll just use some scrap plywood or OSB at a slant to cover the hole when it rains to avoid accumulating any water in the hole during a down-pour until spring when we finish it.
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robinson46176
JPG40504 wroteHe ain't gonna DO all of it! Only what he finally(if ever)gets around to(+- mind changing).]
I'm kind of getting beyond the mind changing stage now. :)
I am always surprised at how often after I make 5 U-turns in my planning that I finally end up back at the original plan... :rolleyes:
One of the things that will make the basement wood shop work for me is that I have so much in duplicated tools and equipment that I will be able to have a secondary woodshop in the farm shop which will be mostly a carpentry shop. Then if I want to do something like remodel a travel trailer or build a truck bed I will be able to work on it in that shop or just outside of a door. Doing it like that if I need to make a bunch of special pieces for something I can still do it in the basement shop but save a lot of trips while doing the common stuff.
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JPG
robinson46176 wroteI'm kind of getting beyond the mind changing stage now. :)
I am always surprised at how often after I make 5 U-turns in my planning that I finally end up back at the original plan... :rolleyes:
One of the things that will make the basement wood shop work for me is that I have so much in duplicated tools and equipment that I will be able to have a secondary woodshop in the farm shop which will be mostly a carpentry shop. Then if I want to do something like remodel a travel trailer or build a truck bed I will be able to work on it in that shop or just outside of a door. Doing it like that if I need to make a bunch of special pieces for something I can still do it in the basement shop but save a lot of trips while doing the common stuff.
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Put one of those extra ss in the farm shop!
robinson46176
Break time. Just started some light raining.
This is what I was doing a couple of weeks ago (burying a new water line). Behind me is the back side of the building we are going to remodel this spring. The right 2/3rds of it will become the boot shop. I used to have a small excavating business but that mini (not mine) is a lot different from the back-hoe I used to own. Took me a few minutes of using it to adapt to the controls. Nice machine.
mustangpalmer1911
There is so much going on I would not be suprised if I went in my basement in a couple mounts +\- and robinson was moves in!
robinson46176
Only got my hole about half dug yesterday due to the intermittent rains that popped up. It was twice as annoying since the radar kept saying it wasn't raining. :rolleyes: Still not a real problem since other than predicting rain all day today, some heavy, they have taken the ones they were predicting for the last half of the week away for now.
If it does rain most of the day today there is still plenty I can do. Lots and lots of sorting and packing for moving stuff both ways. I also need to relocate the boot shop equipment to the space it will occupy until at least next spring. Then the space where it is now sitting will be open for storage of other "stuff".
Initially I am only going to move 5 of the Shopsmiths to the basement shop. My 510, the Mark VII, the 2 Mark V's that I rebuilt and painted and the 10-ER. The "Push me - pull me" drill press almost counts as 2 but is just one machine. I suspect that it will be kind of awkward to move.
My TS-3650 moves to the basement shop and it will be a little awkward to move. So will my Foley/Belsaw planer/molder/ripsaw and the no-name 6" long bed jointer. All are fairly heavy and none of those 3 lend themselves well to slinging and hoisting, all are a little top-heavy. Wheels are only moderately useful going down a steep incline. :eek:
SS SPT's and stuff like the scrollsaw, sanders and other smaller tools are just carry in items and not much of a problem.
It all really makes me wish this was a full walk-out basement. :rolleyes: It would be so much easier.
I really expect this to be my last major woodshop move which is one reason that I have spent so much time and effort laboring over choices and details.
Today or tomorrow I need to help Diana a little to get ready for a great-grandchild invasion Thursday evening. I think that there are 10 or 11 of them but I lose count. :D Part of the basement not going into woodshop gets temporarily walled off into a carpeted playroom for them on Thanksgiving and Christmas. The grand-kids are all grown or teenagers.
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robinson46176
Today I got the area where the boot shop goes cleared out and and cleaned up a little. Got 5 machines moved to it and a bunch of other stuff shifted around. Two of those stitching machines I moved weigh around 600 pounds each and I swear that somebody had glued them to the floor. :rolleyes: Either that or somebody has been messing with the gravity controls. Moving those to where they belong frees up the space where they have been sitting for some of the "stuff" still in the new basement woodshop. One less shuffle later.
We were having trouble getting motivated well this morning due to the weather gloom so we took a 2 hour lunch break and hit one of my favorite buffets for a bite. It is the Sirloin Stockade on US 31 on the north edge of Columbus IN, about 25 miles south west of here. After that I had to work hard for a while just out of guilt. :D
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bffulgham
Francis......
I get so tired thinking about you digging, moving, moving, digging...... I just wear myself plumb out and have to take a nap.
I do, however, understand the farm building shuffle. I'm trying to clean out 50+ years of accumulation from 2 box-cars, a storage building, a garage, and the house where I grew up. Still don't have my reloading equipment (along with a bunch of shooting related stuff), welding/metal-work equipment, and yadda...yadda....yadda, moved over here. Gosh, another nap is coming on :rolleyes:
JPG
bffulgham wroteFrancis......
I get so tired thinking about you digging, moving, moving, digging...... I just wear myself plumb out and have to take a nap.
I do, however, understand the farm building shuffle. I'm trying to clean out 50+ years of accumulation from 2 box-cars, a storage building, a garage, and the house where I grew up. Still don't have my reloading equipment (along with a bunch of shooting related stuff), welding/metal-work equipment, and yadda...yadda....yadda, moved over here. Gosh, another nap is coming on :rolleyes:
Quit reading Farmer's posts, napping and 'get busy'!:D
I should talk!:o
robinson46176
In that building where I want to put the boot shop next spring/summer the part at the right in that picture was my fathers rock shop. He was a very active amateur geologist. He collected rocks and fossils from all over the US. Many of them are still in that building, mostly in big show-cases. He died in 1993 and suffered dementia for about 5 years prior to that. I have no idea what I am going to do with all those rock and fossil samples, hundreds and hundreds of pounds of them. Nothing valuable there but I don't want to just fill a mud-hole with them. I haven't needed the building all that bad so I have just let it sit. :rolleyes:
Maybe I will build a fireplace out of them.
Waaaay too much "stuff" around here... :)
robinson46176
I didn't do an update last night about moving stuff. I had a good productive day but when I stopped I was just too pooped to post. :)
One machine (called a finisher) I moved is around 600 pounds and is a bit over 8' long. The "old" ones used to run 10' or 11' long. Lots of cast iron in the old ones. The old ones ran from a 1 5/16" line shaft along the bottom powered by a huge motor and drove the upper sections with about 2.5" wide flat belts controlled by fairly heavy hand clutches. This one is much newer and drives from 5 individual motors. Still very heavy. :rolleyes: I had about 350 pounds of various presses and special tools stored on top of it that I had to remove and put "someplace" else first. Lots of sorting and moving of other stuff.
With all of this hard work I still have not gotten an actual start on moving the woodshop yet other than to shuffle a lot of stuff around to make room for the boot shop stuff and to sort the woodshop stuff into groups.
Rain is still holding off until Saturday so I hope to finish the "hole" for the basement access Friday. Resting today with only minimal work getting accomplished. Once the "hole" happens the actual woodshop move should go quickly. The move, not full organization... :rolleyes: Still, once it is here in the basement I can run down and work on it in any weather and at any time. It should move along quickly because I love doing that kind of work. Sometimes I enjoy it so much I feel a little guilty... :)
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Ed in Tampa
You made the statement you wished you had a walk out basement somewhere in all of this. And your digging a hole to get to your foundation wall. Why not go ahead and make a walk out door? You may need to make the hole a little larger but should not be a real problem.
If you do make sure you put in good drainage. I had a walk out and in the winter if filled with snow. In the spring when the snow melted accompanied with a good rain there was a lot of water going down that drain.
JPG
I am guessing that once that stuff is moved in, he will not make it captive by plugging the hole!:eek:
Ed in Tampa
You are probably right and I have jumped to a wrong conclusiong. Somehow I got the idea he was digging a pit type hole instead of a walk out type hole.
I don't know where the idea came from but from rereading the thread I'm now fairly certain that he is in fact digging a walkout the he intends to finish in the spring.
One thing living in Florida I long for the basements of up north. My last house with a basement was clear area of 54x32. I had a shop that was 16x27ft and a walk out stairs large enough I could bring in my fishing boat for winter refitting. Sat in that shop many a night fixing something, making a projects or making fishing lures and dreaming of spring.
robinson46176
Right... The "hole" will be a 4' x 6'8" door. :)
Got back to digging today after a half day errand. Didn't go well... I have dug a lot of holes in my life. Some by hand, a lot of by machine including some ponds. I don't believe that I have ever seen a patch of ground with that many roots in it. Not too surprising, there are several 50+ year old tulip poplars only about 25' away. Spent a lot of time chopping roots then things went wrong. :eek: That was after I found a small concrete foundation that has been buried there for maybe 75 years about 10" under ground and totally unknown to me or any of my family. When things went wrong it was just my clumsiness. I was digging away like some kind of happy fool and really wishing I was still a little younger. Then I snagged the toe of my waffle-stomper on "something" invisible... :rolleyes:
I did some kind of pole vault move over the shovel and was suddenly headed toward the house at something like the speed of light. Having cat like reflexes and all of that and being a quick thinker I thought on the way down that maybe I should aim for something as soft as I could find. Fortunately I spotted the nice soft concrete block foundation and headed for that... I was almost horizontal when I put my right arm out in front of me trying to grab onto the safety bar on the side of the house... No, wait, there is no safety bar on the side of the house. What followed was a hard landing, the ripping of a lot of muscle tissue and what sounded like a lot of profanity coming from somewhere.
I'm actually OK but I think my best digging shoulder is going to be operating pretty slow. I guess I will ask my son to bring home one of the mini-excavators and finish digging it for me. If it ends up muddy I have a large quantity (as in about 10 tri-axle loads) of composted wood chips and I can haul some to there and cover the mud.
Oh, well... (shrug).
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