Noisy Jointer
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- JPG
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Re: Noisy Jointer
One can ignore the difference between the od and the pitch diameter (assuming equivalent v groove dimensions) unless considering belt linear speed. Unfortunately the OP has already obtained a new motor pulley equal to that originally on it. A more ideal 'solution' would to have obtained a smaller motor pulley so as to achieve more ideal cutter rpm.
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Re: Noisy Jointer
I was commenting on the max speed limitation of the Power Station, not its power. And suggesting that the OP stay away from the lower end of the speed range and try to get closer to the speed recommended for a Mark mount. IIRC the Power Station is 3/4 HP, same as a Greenie which was adequate in my experience running at ~5500 RPM.
- David
Re: Noisy Jointer
Sorry, when I wrote 'slower speed' I meant 5500 as opposed to 5900, because you mentioned 5500 as adequate.DLB wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:27 am I was commenting on the max speed limitation of the Power Station, not its power. And suggesting that the OP stay away from the lower end of the speed range and try to get closer to the speed recommended for a Mark mount. IIRC the Power Station is 3/4 HP, same as a Greenie which was adequate in my experience running at ~5500 RPM.
- David
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Re: Noisy Jointer
garyshell,
You said
You said
Sorry I don't have any direct experience with a power stand. In the picture you posted it shows the hole in the top of the stand being about the same width as the space between the "feet" of the SPT stand. Is this the same on your Power Stand? If so, turning the SPT Stand around will not gain any additional belt clearance. The problem now appears to be the link belt and how it is constructed requiring additional clearance which could be corrected with a conventional V belt. One thing I didn't mention before but there has been a lot of discussion now is pulley diameters. Certainly, smaller pulleys would narrow the needed opening they pass through and still achieve the correct speed. Right now, the most inexpensive change would be to a conventional V belt.With the motor running, the link belt expands a bit to the point that it rubs on the two feet of the eccentric tube mounting base.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
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All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
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Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Re: Noisy Jointer
I am running a 3.5" pulley at the cutter head, the new motor pulley is 5.95" and motor RPM is 3450 giving me a cutter head RPM of 5815. That appears to be within spec,JPG wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:23 am One can ignore the difference between the od and the pitch diameter (assuming equivalent v groove dimensions) unless considering belt linear speed. Unfortunately the OP has already obtained a new motor pulley equal to that originally on it. A more ideal 'solution' would to have obtained a smaller motor pulley so as to achieve more ideal cutter rpm.
Re: Noisy Jointer
I don't have the official "Power stand". I have a similar stand that has a more open frame, so the only impediments for the link belt expansion are the "feet" of the eccentric tube base. I'm going to try turning the base around, taking into consideration someone else's (@Majones1) suggestion that the large feet might be on the pulley side to provide support for the downward force of the belt on the pulley.chapmanruss wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:22 am garyshell,
You said
Sorry I don't have any direct experience with a power stand. In the picture you posted it shows the hole in the top of the stand being about the same width as the space between the "feet" of the SPT stand. Is this the same on your Power Stand? If so, turning the SPT Stand around will not gain any additional belt clearance. The problem now appears to be the link belt and how it is constructed requiring additional clearance which could be corrected with a conventional V belt. One thing I didn't mention before but there has been a lot of discussion now is pulley diameters. Certainly, smaller pulleys would narrow the needed opening they pass through and still achieve the correct speed. Right now, the most inexpensive change would be to a conventional V belt.With the motor running, the link belt expands a bit to the point that it rubs on the two feet of the eccentric tube mounting base.
If that doesn't work I will just go with a standard V belt. The link belts do help reduce vibration but the jointer has so much mass I am not sure the benefits are that pronounced.
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Had to go with the V belt. Not enough clearance when the support was turned 180 degrees.
I spent some time to get the two pulleys in the same plane. But I have a small issue, the set screw on the cutter head pulley won't stay tight. And I am not sure how much play/deflection there should be in the v belt. I worry I might have it too tight and that might be causing the set screw to not remain tight. I suppose I could just get some lock-tight and put on the screw, but I think that is treating the symptom and not the disease.
I'm getting THIS CLOSE to getting this thing back in service. Thanks much to you fine folks!
I spent some time to get the two pulleys in the same plane. But I have a small issue, the set screw on the cutter head pulley won't stay tight. And I am not sure how much play/deflection there should be in the v belt. I worry I might have it too tight and that might be causing the set screw to not remain tight. I suppose I could just get some lock-tight and put on the screw, but I think that is treating the symptom and not the disease.
I'm getting THIS CLOSE to getting this thing back in service. Thanks much to you fine folks!
Re: Noisy Jointer
Final note. I went with some blue loctite since I couldn't find any reason for the set screw coming loose after a few minutes of running.
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also IF you have the depth you could stack a second setscrew in the hole to act as a lock
- JPG
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Re: Noisy Jointer
OR use a longer set screw.
ORRR a nylock set screw.
ORRR a nylock set screw.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange