New to Me Model 10E Serial Number 1077

[chapmanruss]

One of the differences I have noticed between this early Model 10E and later 10E's is the use of brass parts. The early wedges were brass and so is the Stop Flange part number 103-12 used in the table trunnion assembly. My 10E S/N 4708 also had this part in brass but later Model 10E's S/N 8865 and above that I have or have had no longer had this part in brass nor brass wedges.

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In doing the comparison of parts I am reminded of one I found when restoring S/N 4708 and S/N 8865. As with this 10E, 4708 has the early Quill Gauge Collar which was replaced by the collar which allows attachments to the quill such as the Mortise. 8865 has a cast iron version of the collar where as others are Aluminum. The Cast Iron Collar is the center one below.

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Most of the parts have been cleaned up. Next will be working on the painted parts and restoring the way tubes. For being over 70 years old now this Shopsmith is in pretty good condition. Still more pictures to be taken of the parts and assemblies.

[chapmanruss]

Sorry for not posting for a while but I was busy with other things and just returned from vacation. Next I have some honey-do's to work on like moving a wall, adding a closet, remodeling a bathroom and installing about 850 Sq. Ft. of flooring so my progress on the 10E has slowed. Soon I will have to build it's bench using Shopsmith Metal Bench Ends and Retractable Wheels I have but I need to decide what wood to use. Should I use standard 2" x 8" boards or something nicer? On the first one I restored (S/N R64000) I used KD 2" x 8" lumber which came out very nice looking with a good finish on them. My wife was upset that I used such nice pieces of wood for a bench to mount a tool on and that it should be for a bench to sit on. As I get the painted pieces finished it is nice to start mounting them on the bench beginning with the Base and re-assembling machine. That way they are not getting moved around the shop and knocking paint chips off of them.

[jsburger]

Sorry for not posting for a while but I was busy with other things and just returned from vacation. Next I have some honey-do's to work on like moving a wall, adding a closet, remodeling a bathroom and installing about 850 Sq. Ft. of flooring so my progress on the 10E has slowed. Soon I will have to build it's bench using Shopsmith Metal Bench Ends and Retractable Wheels I have but I need to decide what wood to use. Should I use standard 2" x 8" boards or something nicer? On the first one I restored (S/N R64000) I used KD 2" x 8" lumber which came out very nice looking with a good finish on them. My wife was upset that I used such nice pieces of wood for a bench to mount a tool on and that it should be for a bench to sit on. As I get the painted pieces finished it is nice to start mounting them on the bench beginning with the Base and re-assembling machine. That way they are not getting moved around the shop and knocking paint chips off of them.

I would use something "nicer" particularly given the serial number of the machine. I used 6/4 popular. Maybe it is not "nicer" but different. I spaced the metal legs the distance Magna specified but I made the boards wide enough and long enough to overhang the legs 1/2". The outside top edges were rounded over with a 1/4" round over bit. The two inside edges down the center were rounded over with a 1/8" round over bit. Finished with 3 or four coats of Helmsman poly.

[chapmanruss]

Beautiful wood on that bench John. That is kind of what I was thinking about. Wood with a more interesting grain pattern than plain fir boards. Besides nice wood a great job on the restoration of that 10ER.

[chapmanruss]

In my comparison of parts from my early 10E (S/N 1077) and later Model 10's I noticed the following from a 10E S/N 1922 for sale near me. It appears to have the same pin to hold the Quill Spring Housing in place as my 10E S/N 1077 instead if the more common cast on blocks. I have not been able to see it in person as it is about three and a half hours away from me.

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Below is the more common cast on blocks on a later 10ER Headstock.

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Everett,
If I am correct that 10E S/N 1922 has the pin, then does your 10E S/N 1414 also have the pin instead of the cast on blocks? Also is your Quill Spring Housing aluminum or steel? On 10E S/N 1922 above it looks like the side of the Housing is "pushed" in similar to my Aluminum one on 1077. Steel ones do not tend to "push" in like that. I wonder if that is the reason they added the extra washer.

[BuckeyeDennis]

Russ, my 10E SN 1750 has cast bosses and a steel spring housing. But the cast bosses appear to be a bit smaller than the ones in your photo.

[chapmanruss]

Hi Dennis,
Thanks for adding to this. The headstock with the wider cast on Spring Housing Blocks is the last version of the headstocks. It is a picture I happen to have to show this version of the headstock, not from one I have owned. I had not noticed until now the two widths. I just went out to look at the Model 10's I currently have. Here is what I found-

S/N 1077 has the pin (headstock version 1)
S/N 4708 has 2 narrow castings (headstock version 2)
S/N 17731 has 1 narrow casting - lower only - never had an upper one (headstock version 2)
S/N R36013 has 2 narrow castings (headstock version 3)
S/N R55037 has 2 wide castings (headstock version 4)
S/N R64000 has 2 wide castings (headstock version 4)
S/N 69236 has 2 wide castings (headstock version 5)

The first three have plain Spring Housings and the other four have the Indexing Spring Housing. A good thing to know if someone is changing the Indexing Spring Housing for some reason and wants to get the correct cast on block width opening. With that said, yes I found there are two different Indexing Spring Housings. One for the narrow casting blocks and one for the wider casting blocks. I did not know that before. It is interesting that Magna did this since they then needed to recast the Spring Housing to match the wider blocks.

This is how I have been defining the different Headstock versions which is a little different than Everett has. The serial numbers listed are ones I own or have owned.

5 Headstock versions (plus the preproduction headstock with the front drive sleeve set screw)

1 – First 10E’s Pin for Quill return spring housing instead of cast on blocks as on all later headstocks, brass double wedge quill and way tube locks (10E S/N 1077)

2- Double wedge quill and way tube locks (10E S/N 8865, 13223, 17731, 19541) Early 10E brass double wedges for quill and way tube locks (10E S/N 4708)

3 - Double wedge quill and way tube locks & keyed quill lock (10E S/N 25951, 10ER S/N’s R33231, R36013, R41856, R42458, R50474)

4 - Single wedge quill and way tube locks (10ER S/N’s R55037, R55582, R57367, R60582, R63716, R64000)

5 - Single wedges but cutout behind logo plate (10ER S/N R64381, 69236, 76928)

I looked at the pictures of the ones I have already restored and sold to see how they fit into the Spring Housing block castings. Below is the results with the five I still own. I did not have pictures good enough to identify what 10E S/N 13223 had.

Pin with plain Housing (1077) Headstock 1

Narrow castings with plain Housing (4708, 8865) Headstock 2

Narrow casting - bottom only with plain Housing (17731, 19541) Headstock 2

Narrow castings with Index Housing (25951, R33231, R36013, R41856, R42458) Headstock 3 & 4

Wide castings with Index Housing (R50474, R55037, R55582, R57367, R60582, R63716, R64000, R64381, 69236, 76928) Headstock 4 & 5

When you look at all the changes made to the Headstock it appears we may have at least 7 versions not counting the pre-production headstock.

[chapmanruss]

Finished the Table parts and photographed the individual parts except those that do not want to come apart, ie. the Trunnion Lock parts. No surprises for the Carriage/Table parts but it did not have a Carriage Positioning Stud and Nut parts 103-29 and 103-29N. I don't know if it wasn't included in this early model or if it was lost. I do have extras so I can add it. Working on this a little is my break from the honey do list I am working on for my wife.

[chapmanruss]

Last night I was spending a little time working on the Shopsmith. I noticed something about the Saw Guard part 103-34. The slot where the Splitter goes is not as deep for the Saw Guard that belongs to this 10E. It cannot use the same splitter as later ones have.

1077's Guard is on the right

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Later 10E Guard is on the left

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The Splitter part, number 103-35, was missing for this machine. It is hard to know what it looks like since the Original Manual pictures of the 10E do not show the Saw Guard and Splitter. Only Everett's diagrams at the end of the manual show a splitter which looks the same as later ones.

Everett are the drawings for the Original Manual you restored from that manual or did you create them?

[jsburger]

Last night I was spending a little time working on the Shopsmith. I noticed something about the Saw Guard part 103-34. The slot where the Splitter goes is not as deep for the Saw Guard that belongs to this 10E. It cannot use the same splitter as later ones have.
$matches[2]103-34 Saw Guard bottom 1077s on right r.jpgThe Splitter part, number 103-35, was missing for this machine. It is hard to know what it looks like since the Original Manual pictures of the 10E do not show the Saw Guard and Splitter. Only Everett's diagrams at the end of the manual show a splitter which looks the same as later ones.

Everett are the drawings for the Original Manual you restored from that manual or did you create them?

Check the 10E preliminary manual Everett restored from my original. It shows the guard and spliter in the diagrams at the end of the manual. There is only one view but it might give you a hint .