Not Just a Coincidence
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
There has always been a lot of discussion about table alignment and what a properly aligned machine looks like.
Likewise, there has always been significant discussion about how to get to a properly aligned machine. Most have found a way that suits themselves. Some have not.
As a starter in this effort, it is necessary that the carriage (which carries the table) and the headstock (which positions the blade) are in proper position too achieve that relationship. By design, the rubber bumper makes that relationship relatively easy to achieve. Simply push the carriage and the headstock together until both contact the rubber bumper. Of course, if you have no rubber bumper installed, this condition is difficult to achieve.
On my machines which are both 510s, my rubber bumpers measure 1 3/8" (1.375"). This is what that mating looks like.
If this relationship does not exist, it is uncertain whether you can achieve what I consider proper alignment.
Proper alignment being (in part) the saw blade parrallel to miter track and nearly centered in the table cutout.
The sketch presented earlier in this thread depicts what I believe the table, blade and insert should look like under these conditions.
A different look at this.
Likewise, there has always been significant discussion about how to get to a properly aligned machine. Most have found a way that suits themselves. Some have not.
As a starter in this effort, it is necessary that the carriage (which carries the table) and the headstock (which positions the blade) are in proper position too achieve that relationship. By design, the rubber bumper makes that relationship relatively easy to achieve. Simply push the carriage and the headstock together until both contact the rubber bumper. Of course, if you have no rubber bumper installed, this condition is difficult to achieve.
On my machines which are both 510s, my rubber bumpers measure 1 3/8" (1.375"). This is what that mating looks like.
If this relationship does not exist, it is uncertain whether you can achieve what I consider proper alignment.
Proper alignment being (in part) the saw blade parrallel to miter track and nearly centered in the table cutout.
The sketch presented earlier in this thread depicts what I believe the table, blade and insert should look like under these conditions.
A different look at this.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
Then there is this, A straight edge hung between the two table legs showing that the left face of the saw blade (here an alignment plate) is on the same plane as the left edge of the table legs.
All of this with the rubber bumper contacting both the headstock and the left edge of the carriage.
If at this point you mount a main table mounted the alignment plate will protrude through the table insert cutout very, very near center.
All of this with the rubber bumper contacting both the headstock and the left edge of the carriage.
If at this point you mount a main table mounted the alignment plate will protrude through the table insert cutout very, very near center.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
If you have done that depicted in these few images and the blade (alignment plate) does not protrude properly through the table insert (cut out near center) you have a problem. A BIG PROBLEM.
This is not a coincidence. The Shopsmith was designed to do this in this manner. If you set up differently then expect different results.
Note the relationship of the alignment plate and the shallow saw kerf through the "center" of the table insert
This is not a coincidence. The Shopsmith was designed to do this in this manner. If you set up differently then expect different results.
Note the relationship of the alignment plate and the shallow saw kerf through the "center" of the table insert
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
I apologize for the improper positioning of my images. Something unusual is happening that I have not been able to correct. I have deleted these images, rotated them and reposted but with no change. When I view these images on my monitor or in the phone they are properly oriented.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
The final question. Is it properly aligned? Will it function properly.
Based on these images, I would say I am ready do go to work. Change to a saw blade and mount the rip fence and then let it rip.
No calipers, no dial indicators just a simple setup block.
Based on these images, I would say I am ready do go to work. Change to a saw blade and mount the rip fence and then let it rip.
No calipers, no dial indicators just a simple setup block.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
I'm not following. I have bumpers both wider and narrower than the one referred to here. Not surprisingly, if I use them my blade will end up slightly to the left (for wider) or a good bit to the right (narrower) of center. Neither one prevents me from putting the blade in the center of the opening, if that's what I want to do. Or aligning the left side of the blade with the table legs. But neither really helps me to do either of those things either. The only thing mine do is provide some degree of certainty that with quill fully retracted while headstock and carriage are in contact with the bumper I ought to be able to lower the table over a saw blade without interference. Are these bumpers 'close enough?' To me the answer is yes, because their key parameter has nothing in common with any key parameter that I know about in alignment. I agree with the zip code analogy.
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I'm sorry, still lost here. Are the miter slots parallel to the blade? Is the rip fence parallel to the blade? Is this simple setup block mounted in the miter slot? I don't doubt that the system is aligned, but I don't see it in the images. In my mind, the setup block is fulfilling the function of a square in squaring the miter gauge to the blade. Prior to that step, one should ensure that the miter slots are aligned.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
David, If you are happy that is all that matters.
But I hope you can see that this machine was designed to align in the matter I depict in the photos I posted. That is Not Just a Coincidence. I was not/ am not attempting to sell any alignment procedure to you or anyone else. I align the way I want to the level of precision that satisfies me. What I have presented here is, in my opinion, a prerequisite to doing that.
But I hope you can see that this machine was designed to align in the matter I depict in the photos I posted. That is Not Just a Coincidence. I was not/ am not attempting to sell any alignment procedure to you or anyone else. I align the way I want to the level of precision that satisfies me. What I have presented here is, in my opinion, a prerequisite to doing that.
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Re: Not Just a Coincidence
After a bit more study I find reason for variance in the measurements I have stated above.
I ignored the fact that others reported rubber bumpers of different size. I have now checked all my rubber bumpers. I have the following: one that measures 1 3/8", 3 that measure 1 15/32", 1 that measures 1 23/64" and 1 that measures 1 29/64". The one that measures 1 3/8" is the one on the machine I use most often. The other is used mostly to support SPT and it has a bumper that measures 1 15/32".
None of these would introduce a significant variance in where the blade comes through the table cut out.
I ignored the fact that others reported rubber bumpers of different size. I have now checked all my rubber bumpers. I have the following: one that measures 1 3/8", 3 that measure 1 15/32", 1 that measures 1 23/64" and 1 that measures 1 29/64". The one that measures 1 3/8" is the one on the machine I use most often. The other is used mostly to support SPT and it has a bumper that measures 1 15/32".
None of these would introduce a significant variance in where the blade comes through the table cut out.
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