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Woodpeckers Knock off Tools

jsburger

I just got an email from Woodpeckers about the fake sites offering Woodpeckers tools at deep discounts. They are all scams. They use Woodpeckers photos and videos but Woodpeckers says you probably won't get anything. They are just trying to get your credit card info, The email had 5 pictures of SCAM sites. If you buy on Amazon the page should say sold and shipped by Woodpeckers. They are the only one on Amazon. Also there are only a few resellers authorized by Woodpeckers like Highland Wood Working. They say they are working hard to fix this but, who knows if they can.

Caveat Emptor in spades!

Hobbyman2

When I first seen china tools I thought that was the deal, same color and style . seems like they could have at least made em green or yellow or something .

dusty

Is the intent to knock these tools because they appear similar to Woodpeckers or are they "poor" quality tools.

If they had been pink or green or yellow or something would they be worthy of consideration.

Of course Woodpecker doesn't speak favorably of potential, inexpensive competition.

Comparing a $30 tool with a $230 tool should make someone suspicious - no matter what color it is.

roy_okc

I received the same email from Woodpeckers.

I noticed a couple days ago several listings on Amazon for ~$30 drill guides from Chinese named sellers that are using photoshopped photos (removing names and in one case offering a black version) of Woodpeckers' upcoming drill guide; one listing didn't even bother to photoshop the name out. One of the listings even uses Woodpeckers in the title. If you're interested in seeing them, just search for "drill guide" on Amazon, currently there are three sponsored at the top and I found the black one further down the page.

mountainbreeze

Is it true that Amazon allows companies to list products on their website who have no intention of actually delivering anything? If so, then are not all products listed in Amazon caveat emptor?

roy_okc

mountainbreeze wrote Is it true that Amazon allows companies to list products on their website who have no intention of actually delivering anything? If so, then are not all products listed in Amazon caveat emptor?

I won't pretend to know Amazon's policy on their sellers, but I suspect that they don't want vaporware listings. I have a feeling that these will disappear in conjunction with Woodpeckers contesting these listings that use blatant rip offs of their photos.

dusty

Can Woodpecker object to the use of the pictures IF the pictures are not specifically protected (copy righted)????

I certainly see the likeness in the pictures to Woodpeckers but I found none of the pictures to contain Woodpecker ID ( not even in the Woodpecker ads).

edma194

Amazon won't know about the problem until someone tells them. Woodpecker should complain if copyrighted images are being used but anyone can complain if the listing appears deceitful.

jsburger

dusty wrote Can Woodpecker object to the use of the pictures IF the pictures are not specifically protected (copy righted)????

I certainly see the likeness in the pictures to Woodpeckers but I found none of the pictures to contain Woodpecker ID ( not even in the Woodpecker ads).

Two of the web pages in the Woodpecker email claimed they were Woodpecker One Time Tools. They are not. They are not Woodpecker web pages. That in of itself is fraudulent.

Copy right is automatic. You don't have to file for it. If you don't believe that check out this web page.

https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/copyright-fair-use-and-how-it-works-for-online-images/

roy_okc

If you have good eyes, a good monitor, and look closely you can see where the Woodpeckers logo was removed on some of the photos.

Then, there are some where they didn't bother to even remove it, such as the following link, where if you hover over the last photo you can plainly see "Woodpeckers" on it. https://smile.amazon.com/Woodworking-Portable-Woodpeckers-precision-Adjustable/dp/B096NXH7XK/ref=sr_1_57?dchild=1&keywords=drill+guide&qid=1623359200&sr=8-57

jsburger

roy_okc wrote If you have good eyes, a good monitor, and look closely you can see where the Woodpeckers logo was removed on some of the photos.

Then, there are some where they didn't bother to even remove it, such as the following link, where if you hover over the last photo you can plainly see "Woodpeckers" on it. https://smile.amazon.com/Woodworking-Portable-Woodpeckers-precision-Adjustable/dp/B096NXH7XK/ref=sr_1_57?dchild=1&keywords=drill+guide&qid=1623359200&sr=8-57

And that is a copy right infringement.

dusty

roy_okc wrote If you have good eyes, a good monitor, and look closely you can see where the Woodpeckers logo was removed on some of the photos.

Then, there are some where they didn't bother to even remove it, such as the following link, where if you hover over the last photo you can plainly see "Woodpeckers" on it. https://smile.amazon.com/Woodworking-Portable-Woodpeckers-precision-Adjustable/dp/B096NXH7XK/ref=sr_1_57?dchild=1&keywords=drill+guide&qid=1623359200&sr=8-57

I don't have good eyes but I found that image and yes it says woodpecker. I guess this says they should have taken their own pictures. Dumb.

Fraudulent yes. If manufactured under US jurisdiction. But I suspecytthese are coming from China. So what is new.

dusty

https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/copyright-fair-use-and-how-it-works-for-online-images/

Very interesting read. Thanks for linking it to this thread. However, I am not certain that it applies in this specific example simply because the offender is almost certainly an operation with no "legal identity". Just who would you take action against and in what legal system.

Aaah "The Court of Public Opinion"

roy_okc

I dropped a note to Woodpeckers yesterday evening, got a note back thanking me for pointing it out. We'll see what happens.

Ed in Tampa

roy_okc wrote If you have good eyes, a good monitor, and look closely you can see where the Woodpeckers logo was removed on some of the photos.

Then, there are some where they didn't bother to even remove it, such as the following link, where if you hover over the last photo you can plainly see "Woodpeckers" on it. https://smile.amazon.com/Woodworking-Portable-Woodpeckers-precision-Adjustable/dp/B096NXH7XK/ref=sr_1_57?dchild=1&keywords=drill+guide&qid=1623359200&sr=8-57

The pictures are now removed from the Amazon ad. Using others pictures is becoming very common on the internet. I know one YouTube provider has had his pictures used over and over by others without his permission.

As far a China reverse engineering and producing the identical product for much less is nothing new. In fact many US manufactures have just quiesced to this and now have their products manufactured for them by China.

I am not defending China but some of these products are so wildly over priced

that the actual manufacturing cost is many times lower than the product is selling for. So the ability of some company being able to produce an identical product and sell it for much less is no mystery.

dusty

Ed in Tampa wrote
roy_okc wrote If you have good eyes, a good monitor, and look closely you can see where the Woodpeckers logo was removed on some of the photos.

Then, there are some where they didn't bother to even remove it, such as the following link, where if you hover over the last photo you can plainly see "Woodpeckers" on it. https://smile.amazon.com/Woodworking-Portable-Woodpeckers-precision-Adjustable/dp/B096NXH7XK/ref=sr_1_57?dchild=1&keywords=drill+guide&qid=1623359200&sr=8-57
The pictures are now removed from the Amazon ad. Using others pictures is becoming very common on the internet. I know one YouTube provider has had his pictures used over and over by others without his permission.

As far a China reverse engineering and producing the identical product for much less is nothing new. In fact many US manufactures have just quiesced to this and now have their products manufactured for them by China.

I am not defending China but some of these products are so wildly over priced

that the actual manufacturing cost is many times lower than the product is selling for. So the ability of some company being able to produce an identical product and sell it for much less is no mystery.

The pictures in question are not gone. Others are there that I had not seen before but if you search through the amazon site the ones being discussed are still there. These guys don't give up that easily.

Ed in Tampa

The link takes you to a page with that clearly states image is not available. I do not know what you get if you search but if you just take the LINK GIVEN you get image not available.

dusty

Ed in Tampa wrote The link takes you to a page with that clearly states image is not available. I do not know what you get if you search but if you just take the LINK GIVEN you get image not available.

Yup, the link is now gone BUT

if you go to amazon.com and search for "drill guide" you will find several some of which are what is being discussed and in one case the price is $10 lower.

All that this says to me is "Be cautious of bargains too good to believe".

mountainbreeze

The picture in this link is gone but if you scroll down, there is a video that clearly shows "Woodpecker".

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096G3BQGH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_PXBERWRGWER0T77CBV3G

dusty

mountainbreeze wrote The picture in this link is gone but if you scroll down, there is a video that clearly shows "Woodpecker".

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096G3BQGH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_PXBERWRGWER0T77CBV3G

Thanks for the link. I am seriously considering placing an order. Even if it is a "knockoff" it appears to work well. :rolleyes:

AND - it comes from Amazon - one click ordering and free shipping.