Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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Russ, Thank you for all this wonderful information on the 10E/ER. Now that I have one much of this is vital to my understanding how to best maintain it. Also, I love history, so this feeds that need too.
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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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I have talked a lot about the Shopsmith Model 10E and 10ER to this point. I thought it might be nice to gather references for them in one spot.

At this point in time, I know of 14 different manuals that were released for the Model 10E and 10ER. Most of the need for newer versions of the manual were because of changes to parts requiring updating the drawings and parts lists. The actual operation did not change a lot. Probably the biggest change in the operation was going from the wooden extension table to the metal one. In the Maintenance and Repair section under the topic Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More by Everett Davis which is one of the first threads is a link to Everett’s Google Drive where under 10E & 10ER Magna you can find restored PDF versions of the original typed Preliminary Model 10E Manual, a Model 10E Owner’s Guide which has the wood extension table and a Model 10ER Owner’s Guide from 1952. All three include additional information not found in the original printing of the manuals.

Choose the manual that is closest to your Model 10E or 10ER for use if you don’t have one already. There is a lot of other great information to be found there on Everett’s Google Drive. If you are looking to replace the bearings for the Quill or the Drive Sleeve look at the information under the heading Bearings. The Book Power Tool Woodworking for Everyone by R. J. DeCristoforo was written about using the Shopsmith and goes more in depth than any of the manuals. Under the heading PTWFE 10ER 1953 is a Revised Digital PDF version of the 1st edition of the book. The 1st edition is based on using the Shopsmith Model 10ER and is a great reference book on how to do more with it. Later editions show the Mark 5/V in use. Again, a big thank you to Everett for the time he has given to restore these documents for our use.

There has been additional information gathered throughout the years which change or add to the information found in the manuals. The PDF below is a recommended change to the original manuals for maintenance of the Model 10E and 10ER and a good addition to your Model 10 manual. It is one that I created.

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The 3 PDF charts that follow are handy to have if you don’t already have a copy.

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I have shown pictures of the Model 4E Jointer and Model A-34 Jig Saws in this thread but have recently been asked about the storage platforms I made for them. Below is a picture of the Model 4E Jointer (foreground) and the later Model A-34 Jig Saw (background) which sit on top of a rolling tool cabinet base.

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These are two separate stands made to fit on top of the cabinet. Both are made from 2 X 8's leftover from making Model 10 benches. Both are able to support the tools even though the cabinet gets moved around often. The Jig Saw does not wobble on the stand at all. Both have a standard (for each tool) Shopsmith SPT cover for storage.

The Jointer has the bracket attached to it during storage so only the bolt has to be tightened connecting it to the special headrest on the Model 10. The bracket sits down in a slot cut into the storage platform as shown below. The Jointer sits on the platform flat against the bottom of the base. There are three bolt thread ends that come up through the board that match the three mounting holes for use when on a homemade bench. The table height handle has a angled down cutout for it to go into. Keep in mind the Model 4E Jointer like the early Model 620 have a smaller table height adjustment handle so not very much of it protrudes below the base. The two holes near each end are for recessed screws that attach the legs which raise the board up enough for the bracket.

The board for the Jig Saw has a routed out space for the belt cover area of the later A-34 Jig Saw. It is on a double thick end and includes a dowel to go up through the mounting bolt hole. The other end has a hole for the lower end of the gear housing.

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I still need to redesign a similar Jig Saw stand for the early A-34 Jig Saw I have restored and am keeping but without the partial belt cover of the later Jig Saw I need to come up with a support for that end. Probably a rounded piece to match the contour of the Headstock with a dowel to go up through the mounting bolt hole.
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Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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Excellent Russ,
Thank you!
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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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In previous posts we had talked about the rare Cast Iron Extension Table. Part of that discussion tried to determine when the Cast Iron Extension Tables were made. So, a little history at this point may help. The Mark 5 was in design, engineering and testing for some time while the Model 10ER was still being made and sold. Very recently I found and purchased a Mark 5 Cast Iron Extension Table. It is the only one I have seen although there are around 4 of the Model 10 Cast Iron Extension Tables we know of. I now believe that during the testing of the Mark 5 some Cast Iron Extension Tables were made and the ones for the Model 10ER were also made as a test in the table design around that time. Most of the Cast Iron Extension Tables for the Model 10ER came with the longer bracket which was a later change for the Model 10ER. The bracket and the existence of a rare Cast Iron Extension Table for the Mark 5 lead me to believe they were both made at that time. This is only speculation and I could be totally wrong but based on what I know it is my best explanation.

As to how these Cast Iron Extension Tables got out into circulation is anybody’s guess too but here are a couple possibilities, over the years the Shopsmith line has changed ownership and they may have come from clearing out extra stock. Another is they may have been on demo units that were later sold. Of course, these are only guesses and we may never know the real way they became available.

The pictures below are the Model 10 Cast Iron Extension Table on top and the Mark 5 Cast Iron Extension Table on the bottom.

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The pictures below show the Model 10 Extension Tables with the Aluminum on top and the Cast Iron on the bottom.

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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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chapmanruss wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:16 pm If any of you have those higher (around 80,000 and above) serial numbered Model 10ER’s let us know if they have the thin walled Way Tubes.
I picked up serial number 87924 a few weeks ago, and it has thin walled way tubes and hollow table posts.
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Hoping you guys can help a fella out. I just got this Shopsmith and it was given to me so the price was right (I hope). Now I need info on it. I've never had one and never really been around one. Have been searching the internet but there is a lot to go through. I'm guessing this is a 10ER, with serial #R47353? I want to fix it up to use, not going to be a show piece. Can you all tell me what I have for sure and if I need to know anything in particular about it.
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I'm not a Model 10 guy, but one thing I can tell you is you got a great "buy." You have the speed changer which, if intact, is what generally separates used Model 10's from one another. That alone is probably worth more than a complete Model 10 without one in my area.

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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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whiteb01,

First welcome to the Shopsmith Forum. Your Shopsmith Model 10ER (even though it says ER) was made in later 1950 in the Western Plant as indicated by the R of the serial number prefix.

Something I noticed in the picture of the entire unit is the Headstock's Way Tube Lock is missing. That may explain why there are hose clamps on the Way Tubes between the Headstock and the Carriage. Since I cannot see all of the Quill Return Spring Housing I cannot tell if you have Headstock version 4 or 5. It changed around the time your Model 10ER was made. Either way the missing lock for the Headstock would be the double wedge type. The picture below shows the three locks used on an early Model 10E and are similar to the ones used on the early 10ER. The top one is the Quill Lock and the middle and bottom locks are for the Headstock Way Tube Lock and the Carriage Way Tube Lock which are the same. The ones shown in the picture below are the very early brass wedges which was soon changed to wedges made out of an alloy. The later single wedge locks will not work in your Model 10ER.

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Note in the picture above the lever of the Quill Lock is different than the ones for the Headstock and Carriage. The Quill Lock in your Headstock is keyed which was used only in the version 4 and 5 Headstocks. As with the locks being double vs single wedges some parts are not interchangeable on their own. Some things would have to be changed as an assembly. Since your Shopsmith is over 70 years old replacement parts have to be found on the used market. Generally used replacement parts are not hard to find.

As David noted you have the Speed Changer with it that looks to be complete. They are a nice addition to the Model 10's but do be careful as they can be easily broken with incorrect use. Never try to adjust the speed past the point the springs on the rear of the screw assembly begin to compress. The speed will not go any higher or lower but you can brake the unit.

Some rust removal, cleaning up and paint if desired and you will have a great woodworking machine. One of the things I like about these Shopsmiths is with a little care they can seemingly run forever. I encourage you to start your own thread to ask questions and share information about your Shopsmith Model 10ER as you get it up and running. That will keep your information specific to your Shopsmith in one place.
Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where

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chapmanruss wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:48 pm whiteb01,

First welcome to the Shopsmith Forum. Your Shopsmith Model 10ER (even though it says ER) was made in later 1950 in the Western Plant as indicated by the R of the serial number prefix.

Something I noticed in the picture of the entire unit is the Headstock's Way Tube Lock is missing. That may explain why there are hose clamps on the Way Tubes between the Headstock and the Carriage. Since I cannot see all of the Quill Return Spring Housing I cannot tell if you have Headstock version 4 or 5. It changed around the time your Model 10ER was made. Either way the missing lock for the Headstock would be the double wedge type. The picture below shows the three locks used on an early Model 10E and are similar to the ones used on the early 10ER. The top one is the Quill Lock and the middle and bottom locks are for the Headstock Way Tube Lock and the Carriage Way Tube Lock which are the same. The ones shown in the picture below are the very early brass wedges which was soon changed to wedges made out of an alloy. The later single wedge locks will not work in your Model 10ER.

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Lever Assemblies 1077.jpg
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Note in the picture above the lever of the Quill Lock is different than the ones for the Headstock and Carriage. The Quill Lock in your Headstock is keyed which was used only in the version 4 and 5 Headstocks. As with the locks being double vs single wedges some parts are not interchangeable on their own. Some things would have to be changed as an assembly. Since your Shopsmith is over 70 years old replacement parts have to be found on the used market. Generally used replacement parts are not hard to find.

As David noted you have the Speed Changer with it that looks to be complete. They are a nice addition to the Model 10's but do be careful as they can be easily broken with incorrect use. Never try to adjust the speed past the point the springs on the rear of the screw assembly begin to compress. The speed will not go any higher or lower but you can brake the unit.

Some rust removal, cleaning up and paint if desired and you will have a great woodworking machine. One of the things I like about these Shopsmiths is with a little care they can seemingly run forever. I encourage you to start your own thread to ask questions and share information about your Shopsmith Model 10ER as you get it up and running. That will keep your information specific to your Shopsmith in one place.
So what you're saying is that the hose clamps aren't original? Joking of course.

I really appreciate you're info, you told me a lot that I didn't know. I will take your advice and start a new thread.
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