My Growth Rings with Scott Markwood

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edma194 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:36 pm So he makes an auxiliary table so he can use a miter gauge and then doesn't use a miter gauge. Then the sharp edges of the auxiliary table where it was cut for the miter track leaves score marks on the wood. Isn't just as easy to not make the auxiliary table, not use a miter gauge, and then make the score marks with a knife? :p ;)
Ed, I created the Joint-Matic auxiliary table when I worked at Shopsmith back in the 90's. Yes, the one I used in the video is new and needs a little fine tuning. The primary purpose of the auxiliary table is to accommodate a bit that would otherwise be unusable on the tool and to move the miter slot, though I didn't need a miter gauge for the project I was making. Scott
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thedovetailjoint wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:07 pm Ed, I created the Joint-Matic auxiliary table when I worked at Shopsmith back in the 90's. Yes, the one I used in the video is new and needs a little fine tuning. The primary purpose of the auxiliary table is to accommodate a bit that would otherwise be unusable on the tool and to move the miter slot, though I didn't need a miter gauge for the project I was making. Scott
Does the auxiliary table have any means of aligning/adjusting the miter track to be parallel to the Joint-Matic fence? When using a miter gauge in horizontal table routing, are you normally using both fence and miter gauge? I'm thinking in terms of expanding aux table features to use on a PowerPro and Main table.

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DLB wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:39 pm Does the auxiliary table have any means of aligning/adjusting the miter track to be parallel to the Joint-Matic fence? When using a miter gauge in horizontal table routing, are you normally using both fence and miter gauge? I'm thinking in terms of expanding aux table features to use on a PowerPro and Main table.

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The miter gauge can be used on the Joint-Matic, and there is just a tad bit of play between the tee-nuts and the auxiliary table that allows for parallelism. I'm not sure what you mean by using the fence though, because there isn't a fence on the Joint-matic. Scott
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Think of the vertical part the router mounts on as 'the base', then the horizontal surface acts as a fence. "normal" rotated 90°.
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thedovetailjoint wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:07 pm Ed, I created the Joint-Matic auxiliary table when I worked at Shopsmith back in the 90's. Yes, the one I used in the video is new and needs a little fine tuning. The primary purpose of the auxiliary table is to accommodate a bit that would otherwise be unusable on the tool and to move the miter slot, though I didn't need a miter gauge for the project I was making. Scott
I got what you were doing, just having a little fun with it. Your videos are great in general and these about the Joint-Matic are especially helpful. People who don't have one of these tools are missing out.
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My Growth Rings with Scott Markwood

Watch it here: https://youtu.be/Ld261WMf7fk

In the last video, we used a horizontal router table (The Shopsmith Joint-Matic) with "vertical" raised panel router bits, but dust collection was AWEFUL! In this video, we answer the questions, comments, and cheapshots that came from that video, plus we try an older raised panel bit to see if the new-fangled anti-kickback bits were the problem. If you missed that previous video, check it out here: 🎬 https://youtu.be/f6wSnVCTFRQ

Here's the video I mentioned where I walked through some tips on what to look for when buying a Shopsmith Joint-Matic: 🎬 https://youtu.be/hnGVQXQrMaA
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This ebay ad: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373782086681?h ... SwE8Nhhe8z associated with My Growth Rings for the Klein 5/32" hex wrench has really raised my eyebrows. It places a lot of emphasis on where the tool is made, Slovenia or China, and the seemingly contradictory statement that Klein is an American company "keeping manufacturing as close to home as we can." Kind of opens my eyes about Klein, a company whose tools I usually like. Is that really as close to home as this could be made? Both the Bondhus version I prefer and Eklind are made in USA. I don't love or hate tools based on where they are made, but if I don't have much to go on I'd admit that I'd probably choose USA or German to give me the best chance at the quality I'm looking for. But companies that want to do so can effectively manage suppliers wherever they are located.

I will nitpick an error in the ad, as it seems focused on product description error(s) made in other ads. This statement seems to be in error: "BTW, if you are using this tool on your Shopsmith Mark V or Mark 7, please note that there is a built-in storage place on the left hand bench end, on either side of the headrest handle. You know, that lever that you lift so you can raise your Shopsmith into the drill press position." I don't find such a built-in (or lever) on either my Mark 7 or my DT Mark 5. Sellers frequently make mistakes in their product descriptions. Per ebay policy, the sellers are responsible for their product descriptions.

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Hey David,
That's my ad and you are correct, there is an error in my mentioning the Mark 7 as having on-board wrench storage. Thanks for reminding me.
Yes, I reached out to Klein and confirmed that the 9" wrench in question is made in Slovenia, though the Amazon listing states "China". There's been a whole conversation about this over on you Youtube Community feed, but here's what I wrote about the eBay ad there, which might shed some light:

"Ok, I've had enough. That eBay seller is back and posting the Klein 5/32" hex wrench for $14.95 + $3.95 S&H. This EXACT same wrench is available from Amazon and though the price fluctuates it's typically available for less than $9.00 with free Prime shipping! Here's that link https://amzn.to/3GPIckV For those who don't have Prime or who are searching on eBay I have added my own listing for this wrench! Whenever someone orders it I will go to my Amazon account, place the order, and have Amazon ship it to them! I did some calculating and determined that after eBay and Paypal fees that as long as the price on Amazon doesn't go up too much and I'm going to make about a dollar for my time. Seriously, if you have Prime, please just click the link and order this awesome wrench for yourself. If you aren't a Prime member you can check out my eBay posting here: https://ebay.us/zhhmg5
DLB wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:02 pm This ebay ad: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373782086681?h ... SwE8Nhhe8z associated with My Growth Rings for the Klein 5/32" hex wrench has really raised my eyebrows. It places a lot of emphasis on where the tool is made, Slovenia or China, and the seemingly contradictory statement that Klein is an American company "keeping manufacturing as close to home as we can." Kind of opens my eyes about Klein, a company whose tools I usually like. Is that really as close to home as this could be made? Both the Bondhus version I prefer and Eklind are made in USA. I don't love or hate tools based on where they are made, but if I don't have much to go on I'd admit that I'd probably choose USA or German to give me the best chance at the quality I'm looking for. But companies that want to do so can effectively manage suppliers wherever they are located.

I will nitpick an error in the ad, as it seems focused on product description error(s) made in other ads. This statement seems to be in error: "BTW, if you are using this tool on your Shopsmith Mark V or Mark 7, please note that there is a built-in storage place on the left hand bench end, on either side of the headrest handle. You know, that lever that you lift so you can raise your Shopsmith into the drill press position." I don't find such a built-in (or lever) on either my Mark 7 or my DT Mark 5. Sellers frequently make mistakes in their product descriptions. Per ebay policy, the sellers are responsible for their product descriptions.

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Thanks Scott, that put's a different light on it. I knew which seller you were referring to, just from the content. I use a Bondhus 4mm for reasons I went into already on the forum. So far, it fits not only the 4mm places on the PowerPro but is a better fit on every 5/32" fastener I've tried than any 5/32" tool I've tried. I have not tried the Klein. And I'm not objecting to the product, I'm objecting to 'American company...manufacturing as close to home as possible.' I'm sure they have a great legal/political explanation for why it's okay to say this, but it's not okay for this consumer.

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I totally get where you are coming from. I just wrapped up a conversation with a coworker about "Greenwashing", in which a company will promote how green their packaging/manufacturing/marketing, etc. is, while their product isn't green at all. One such company was a bathroom chemical company that likes to talk about how they light their factory with power produced from the geothermal heat from a nearby landfill, all the while 100% of their product is a chemical that their customer pours down the drain! In the case of the eBay seller I have been clear that I'm not bothered one bit by retail arbitrage, but they are, in my opinion, taking advantage of my fellow Shopsmith family members! Scott
DLB wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:26 pm Thanks Scott, that put's a different light on it. I knew which seller you were referring to, just from the content. I use a Bondhus 4mm for reasons I went into already on the forum. So far, it fits not only the 4mm places on the PowerPro but is a better fit on every 5/32" fastener I've tried than any 5/32" tool I've tried. I have not tried the Klein. And I'm not objecting to the product, I'm objecting to 'American company...manufacturing as close to home as possible.' I'm sure they have a great legal/political explanation for why it's okay to say this, but it's not okay for this consumer.

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