New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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Had a Total Shop machine given to me recently. Thank God I didn't pay anything for it after doing a "small" amount of research on it. Haven't even Started it yet as I need electrician to equip my panel for service. Not even sure it will run. Came with all standard accessories except Table saw Guard. Has a Band saw attachment. Also an Owners Manual with (2) VHS tutorial tapes. LOL. Have to find a VCR now that works. Been watching Youtube videos. Hope maintenance procedures will be somewhat similiar to SS.
Hasn't been used for 15 years or so. Not very confident this machine will perform well if at all. Would welcome any feedback. I know this community is Shop Smith and my machine is a clone but what can I say. It fell into my lap. Would like to have a little fun with it though. Never had a machine like this before. Just standard Table saw and typical hand/power tools. That's it for now. Look forward to hearing from you.

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Some of us SS weirdos are not biased like some SS naysayers and appreciate exploring under a clone's interior just fer curiosity's sake(and maybe just maybe learn something during the process).
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Re: New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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There are old threads about the Total Shop and other clones like these:
viewtopic.php?t=17355
viewtopic.php?t=16830

People seem to keep using them until they run out of parts and some Shopsmith owners tend to accrete a collection of machines. Just gets habit forming after a while.
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I haven't owned any of the "clones" but as I understand it since they are based off the Mark V some parts are interchangeable while others are not. Also, since they are based off the Mark V, maintenance could be and is likely similar. Oiling the movable sheaves on the Idler and Motor Shafts keeps the Mark V running happy so should be true for "clones".

Mark, I do wonder about your statement
Haven't even Started it yet as I need electrician to equip my panel for service.
What does your Total Shop require for power?
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Maybe 230v?

Maybe new panel?
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Re: New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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That's what I wondered. The Mark V had a 230-volt motor option and I don't know if any "clones" did too.
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Re: New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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It has a 6-15 Plug config. As I understand it that is for 250V? Sorry my electricity knowledge is "Zero". The Label says 115V/230V motor. That's why I need an electrician. As far as Panel space, I don't have any spare room to add another breaker if I was going to have it on a dedicated circuit. Maybe I could change the plug? I only have wall receptacles for the standard 5-15 plug and a 10-30 for my dryer.
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If it has a 6-15p then the motor is likely connected for 230v.

If you replace it with a 5-15p then you will also have to reconfigure the motor connections to 115v.

P.S. If you are running a dedicated branch for the shop(and will likely have the electricial add an aux panel) I suggest running 230v and wiring a combination receptacle with a 6-20r and a 5-20r. You could also have separate receptacles having 5-20r and 6-20r configuration. A ganged breaker will protect a 115v overload.

-20 receptacles are available that accept both -15 and -20 plugs(both 5 and 6 types)

For those not following the 5/6/15/20 nomenclature:

5-15 = 115v 15a
5-20 = 115v 20a

6-15 = 230v 15a
6-20 = 230v 20a

p = plug
r = receptacle

All defined by NEMA.
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Re: New owner of a "other brands" Total Shop

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Thanks JPG

Is there a performance difference in running it at 115V vs 230V. I see the label on the machine the references the wire connections that u are describing to change V. 115V seems like a less $$$ commitment. Especially since I don't even know if the thing runs.
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So, the first step is to reconnect for 125v and replace the plug with a 125v version and try to get to run.

As for performance 250V has less line loss voltage(more available voltage at the motor).
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