Before you go bonkers trying to figger out what the shaft and coupler are in the second pix next to the shaper insert, it aint OEM! The shaft maybe part of a tenon hold down.
P.S. If that thing next to it will fit on a 5/8" shaft, a 'different' tenon holddown.
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When Mine was stuck I used a gear puller and a bolt that just barely fit in the hole to push between the puller and the shaft end. I actually had to use the puller 99% of the way off the shaft (it didn't break free then pull off). Worked good though.SDSSmith wrote:On the bandsaw, I would remove the cover so you can grab the lower wheel. After soaking the arbor with PB blaster, liquid wrench, penetrating oil or whatever you use, put a wrench on the arbor (with set screw removed). Grab the lower wheel and see if you can use the wrench to spin the arbor on the shaft.
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[quote="JPG40504"]Before you go bonkers trying to figger out what the shaft and coupler are in the second pix next to the shaper insert, it aint OEM! The shaft maybe part of a tenon hold down.
That looks almost exactly like the shaft extension I made. I used it to connect the bandsaw to the headstock with a second carriage on the left of the headstock. (worked excellent)
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... +extension
That looks almost exactly like the shaft extension I made. I used it to connect the bandsaw to the headstock with a second carriage on the left of the headstock. (worked excellent)
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... +extension
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Today's update (4/8/12)
It is becoming obvious that the previous owner has been into the machine. The screws in the belt cover, motor pan and switch are a mix-match. The vacuum system is simply gone, and I didn’t know to look for it while I was picking up the machine. There are quite a few small differences between the Mark VII and the 500s. And there are things about this that I just don’t know what they are or their function.
I pulled the main table and then thought I’d pull the End Cap from the right end. But when I unlocked and lifted the unit, the left End Cap slid right off the way tubes. OOPS!! In fact, closer inspection showed that the set screws were GONE. Oh well, the whole idea was to get the headstock off, so that kinda worked. I cranked out the front way tube with its partial rack and slid the rear way tube out. The headstock I put on a worktable and began to take it apart.
Here’s some bad news:
1. Broken rack (pn 501190 no longer available)
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2. Chipped Control Cam (pn501337 no longer available)
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The safety lock (pn 501347) is long gone. Not really an issue (like the vacuum).
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There are safety latches (pn 501501) on each end of the cabinet. I assume they somehow secure the unit when in the vertical position, but danged if I see how.
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Then there’s the “arrow,” labeled as the Interlatch shaft (pn 501559) that mounts thru the carriage. What is does is also beyond my comprehension at this point.
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More in next post....
I pulled the main table and then thought I’d pull the End Cap from the right end. But when I unlocked and lifted the unit, the left End Cap slid right off the way tubes. OOPS!! In fact, closer inspection showed that the set screws were GONE. Oh well, the whole idea was to get the headstock off, so that kinda worked. I cranked out the front way tube with its partial rack and slid the rear way tube out. The headstock I put on a worktable and began to take it apart.
Here’s some bad news:
1. Broken rack (pn 501190 no longer available)
[ATTACH]16991[/ATTACH]
2. Chipped Control Cam (pn501337 no longer available)
[ATTACH]16992[/ATTACH]
The safety lock (pn 501347) is long gone. Not really an issue (like the vacuum).
[ATTACH]16993[/ATTACH]
There are safety latches (pn 501501) on each end of the cabinet. I assume they somehow secure the unit when in the vertical position, but danged if I see how.
[ATTACH]16994[/ATTACH]
Then there’s the “arrow,” labeled as the Interlatch shaft (pn 501559) that mounts thru the carriage. What is does is also beyond my comprehension at this point.
[ATTACH]16995[/ATTACH]
More in next post....
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4-8-12 continued
Here are some of the things I don't understand.
There is a manufactured hole in the belt cover that I don't see an intended purpose.
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The little red button attached to a push rod at the front of the headstock (vacuum on/off maybe?)
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And how do I clean the way tube with that funky plastic strip bradded to it?
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And it was just interesting to open it up and see the worm gear drive for the rack system and no worm gear for the speed control. Haven't cracked open the speed controller. Not sure I want/need to.
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There is a manufactured hole in the belt cover that I don't see an intended purpose.
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The little red button attached to a push rod at the front of the headstock (vacuum on/off maybe?)
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And how do I clean the way tube with that funky plastic strip bradded to it?
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And it was just interesting to open it up and see the worm gear drive for the rack system and no worm gear for the speed control. Haven't cracked open the speed controller. Not sure I want/need to.
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I have some leftover parts from the mark VII that I parted out (small parts from the headstock, gears and such). You can have them for the cost of shipping...probably about $11 or so, maybe less.fiatben wrote:Here are some of the things I don't understand.
There is a manufactured hole in the belt cover that I don't see an intended purpose.
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The little red button attached to a push rod at the front of the headstock (vacuum on/off maybe?)
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And how do I clean the way tube with that funky plastic strip bradded to it?
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And it was just interesting to open it up and see the worm gear drive for the rack system and no worm gear for the speed control. Haven't cracked open the speed controller. Not sure I want/need to.
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The speed control is 'direct drive'.fiatben wrote:Here are some of the things I don't understand.
There is a manufactured hole in the belt cover that I don't see an intended purpose.
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The little red button attached to a push rod at the front of the headstock (vacuum on/off maybe?)
[ATTACH]17002[/ATTACH]
And how do I clean the way tube with that funky plastic strip bradded to it?
[ATTACH]17003[/ATTACH]
And it was just interesting to open it up and see the worm gear drive for the rack system and no worm gear for the speed control. Haven't cracked open the speed controller. Not sure I want/need to.
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Cannot 'spin' tube with rack attached.
The mystery hole normally has a 'plug'.
The odd shaped hole was for a rack 'disconnect'(lock?) lever (I think).
The red button released something!
Got a 'parts manual'?
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JPG40504 wrote: The red button released something!
The red button locked / released "the arrow" carriage interlock pin to position the carriage at 2 different settings (the grooves in the lock pin). Once locked the carriage and headstock can be moved back and forth along the ways together without changing the set-up spacing.
"Somewhere" there is a thread where I discussed most of this stuff, if somebody can find it.
There were several changes during production. Too bad a different cam and rack gear were not among them.
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I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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Yeah, I've got a parts manual (how else did U think I knew all those numbers?) and an owner's manual (which I'm trying to read thru between things).JPG40504 wrote:The speed control is 'direct drive'.
Cannot 'spin' tube with rack attached.
The mystery hole normally has a 'plug'.
The odd shaped hole was for a rack 'disconnect'(lock?) lever (I think).
The red button released something!
Got a 'parts manual'?
The two notches in the "arrow" correspond to the edge slot and center slot in the table and you pull the red button to lock it in place to keep the blade in the center of the slot. This is called the interlatch. (Farmer was right, again.)
The opening on the belt cover is for the "traverse release" - "Instant release of traverse gearing for free-sliding power head when desired." It is called a clutch in the parts manual (p/n 501362, 501361, 501363)
I guess I can only clean the "rack" tube as best I can and spin the other three. Well, I could spin it and get the ends to look good anyway. Actually, a few passes with scotchbrite and a wax job and I think I'll call it good. This unit is a good candidate for being functional, but not a full blown restoration.
Didn't get any time to work on it today.
But, there's always tomorrow (theoretically anyway).'55 Greenie #292284 (Mar-55), '89 SS 510 #020989, Mark VII #408551 (sold 10/14/12), SS Band Saw, (SS 500 #36063 (May-79) now gone to son-in-law as of 11-11), Magna bandsaw, Magna jointer 16185 (May-54), Magna belt sander SS28712 (Dec-82), Magna jigsaw SS4397 (Dec-78), SS biscuit joiner, Zyliss (knockoff) vise, 20+ hand planes, 60s Craftsman tablesaw, CarbaTec mini-lathe, and the usual pile of tools. Hermit of the Hills Woodworks, a hillbilly in the foothills of the Ozarks, scraping by.
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Would a standard 500 lower saw guard work on this thing?
'55 Greenie #292284 (Mar-55), '89 SS 510 #020989, Mark VII #408551 (sold 10/14/12), SS Band Saw, (SS 500 #36063 (May-79) now gone to son-in-law as of 11-11), Magna bandsaw, Magna jointer 16185 (May-54), Magna belt sander SS28712 (Dec-82), Magna jigsaw SS4397 (Dec-78), SS biscuit joiner, Zyliss (knockoff) vise, 20+ hand planes, 60s Craftsman tablesaw, CarbaTec mini-lathe, and the usual pile of tools. Hermit of the Hills Woodworks, a hillbilly in the foothills of the Ozarks, scraping by.