Radial Arm Saw
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- JPG
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holsgo wrote:I have my RAS mounted as part of my workbench. A 6 foot fence lays across the whole of the workbench. Simply the best and easiest saw to use. No setup, has held accuracy since day one and I cut everything on it, it's my go to dado saw. If you have the space, I recommend them 100%.
A short time ago the RAS was the dreaded maiming tool. Way too easy to pull that spinning blade across yer hand holding the workpiece. Add to that the easily acquired habit of pulling the blade into the work piece 'vigorously'.
Nothing has changed except the introduction of the 'chop' saw. That made sense until the recent introduction of the 'pull' versions. Back to near square one! I say 'near' due to their reduced travel.
Use any with brain engaged and attention to positioning of body parts!
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
- Ed in Tampa
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[quote="JPG40504"]A short time ago the RAS was the dreaded maiming tool. Way too easy to pull that spinning blade across yer hand holding the workpiece. Add to that the easily acquired habit of pulling the blade into the work piece 'vigorously'.
Nothing has changed except the introduction of the 'chop' saw. That made sense until the recent introduction of the 'pull' versions. Back to near square one! I say 'near' due to their reduced travel.
Use any with brain engaged and attention to positioning of body parts! ]
I wonder how much was actual maiming and how much of it is "Well it could happen"?
If you have the wrong blade on a radial arm and it starts to climb wood it will scare the begeebees out of you. However most RAS that I have used had the stop switch either as a trigger squeeze or as 'pull on push off' toggle. If the blade started to climb the wood and rushed at you normally you would be forced to let go of the trigger or your hand would be pushed against the on/off switch.
As far as pulling the blade into your hand, I would guess that could happen but I would think it happens less of often than feeding your hand into the table saw. With a RAS you always can see the blade and your hands on the table saw the blade is often total hidden until the moment it is exposed and you realize you hand is in the way.
I would guess there could be more accidents with a chop or powered miter saw. Usually you are doing close tolerance work with those saws and your focused on the cut quality. It would be easier I feel to pull the blade down on your hand while focused on the cut line.
Like I said I have heard all the horror stories about RAS but I wonder how many of them are just than "stories"
One thing back in the day RAS were less costly than a tablesaw and many touted them as multipurpose machines. I wonder if their accident track record were bolsterd by the fact that they were the first power tool many users ever tried to use.
Nothing has changed except the introduction of the 'chop' saw. That made sense until the recent introduction of the 'pull' versions. Back to near square one! I say 'near' due to their reduced travel.
Use any with brain engaged and attention to positioning of body parts! ]
I wonder how much was actual maiming and how much of it is "Well it could happen"?
If you have the wrong blade on a radial arm and it starts to climb wood it will scare the begeebees out of you. However most RAS that I have used had the stop switch either as a trigger squeeze or as 'pull on push off' toggle. If the blade started to climb the wood and rushed at you normally you would be forced to let go of the trigger or your hand would be pushed against the on/off switch.
As far as pulling the blade into your hand, I would guess that could happen but I would think it happens less of often than feeding your hand into the table saw. With a RAS you always can see the blade and your hands on the table saw the blade is often total hidden until the moment it is exposed and you realize you hand is in the way.
I would guess there could be more accidents with a chop or powered miter saw. Usually you are doing close tolerance work with those saws and your focused on the cut quality. It would be easier I feel to pull the blade down on your hand while focused on the cut line.
Like I said I have heard all the horror stories about RAS but I wonder how many of them are just than "stories"
One thing back in the day RAS were less costly than a tablesaw and many touted them as multipurpose machines. I wonder if their accident track record were bolsterd by the fact that they were the first power tool many users ever tried to use.
Ed in Tampa
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I don't have a RAS, but I really want one. I've been watching CL for a LONG time and I'm just waiting on the right opportunity. I see a ton of Craftsman, but I want an old Delta Rockwell or some other old vintage that would complement my Shopsmith 10ERs.
Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
- robinson46176
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heathicus wrote:I don't have a RAS, but I really want one. I've been watching CL for a LONG time and I'm just waiting on the right opportunity. I see a ton of Craftsman, but I want an old Delta Rockwell or some other old vintage that would complement my Shopsmith 10ERs.
I want a Sawsmith RAS...
I would be proud to park one next to my 10-ER.
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
Yeah, Ditto that! The one RAS I came real close to getting was a Sawsmith. Found it on CL. Made a deal with the guy over the phone. Agreed on a pickup day/time. And he sold it out from under me.robinson46176 wrote:I want a Sawsmith RAS...![]()
I would be proud to park one next to my 10-ER.
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Heath
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Central Louisiana
-10ER - SN 13927, Born 1949, Acquired October 2008, Restored November, 2008
-10ER - SN 35630, Born 1950, Acquired April 2009, Restored May 2009, A34 Jigsaw
-Mark V - SN 212052, Born 1986, Acquired Sept 2009, Restored March 2010, Bandsaw
-10ER - SN 39722, Born 1950, Acquired March 2011, awaiting restoration
Hey you didn't get on my nerves but it was fun to tease you. Being Menno I rather enjoy the current fedora. JimJPG40504 wrote:Got a pair of those at a Mennonite store.
During your hiatus, my avatar was a more active one that involved constant bashing of my forehead against a computer. It got on some folks's nerve so I changed to a more serene scene!
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heathicus wrote:Yeah, Ditto that! The one RAS I came real close to getting was a Sawsmith. Found it on CL. Made a deal with the guy over the phone. Agreed on a pickup day/time. And he sold it out from under me.![]()
That's the only Sawsmith RAS I've seen available in the several years I've been looking so I've kinda given up on it even though I keep looking.
You mean like this high priced one?
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/tls/2926333498.html
Chucks in Phoenix Mark V(5), Mark VII(2),Power Pro, Planer, Crafter Station, Jointer,Bandsaw(3),Lathe Duplicator,Belt Sander,Jig Saw,DC3300(2),"Sears Router Crafter", Post Drill, Stand alone Overarm Router. Jointmatic ++++,
Like this one?
robinson46176 wrote:I want a Sawsmith RAS...![]()
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Dad bought this one around 1959-60 from Monkey Wards. I still have all the original set of accessories.....sanding disk, arbor nut wrench, allen wrench, left and right arbor nuts, 1 1/4" arbor, and the PTWFE that came with it. The table is still original. I even have a spare belt that I got from SS in the mid '80s.
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Bud F.
1998 Mark V 510 bought used 2006, Jointer, 2 Bandsaws, ca 1960 Yuba SawSmith RAS
Projects and "stuff": http://www.bfulgham.com/JAlbum/Woodworking_Index/
1998 Mark V 510 bought used 2006, Jointer, 2 Bandsaws, ca 1960 Yuba SawSmith RAS
Projects and "stuff": http://www.bfulgham.com/JAlbum/Woodworking_Index/