3rd Generation Owner

tvidnoviciii · Post by **tvidnoviciii** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:07 pm

I took the plunge and bought a Mark V 510 late last week. That officially makes me a 3rd generation SS owner. My Grandfather, who was a carpenter and cabinet maker bought a 10ER back in the late 40's and outfitted with every accessory that was offered at the time. He too experienced the problems long associated with the table saw mode and utilized my dad as a live outfeed table as he grew up. Upon my dad leaving for college, my grandfather made a roller stand with his SS to "replace" him with

. Upon his death in 1980, my dad inherited the old 10ER and once I was old enough, I took over his role as the live outfeed table. As a teenager, I learned how to woodwork with it. At that time, I perused the printed catalog hoping to someday own a mark 5 and, like my grandfather before me, outfit it with all of the accoutrements. When I went off to college, my woodworking basically stopped, other than the odd "hand tool" job and some trim work. Well, after ~20 years, a move across the country, and a pantry project that gave me the bug to woodwork again, I now have a SS of my very own. It's going to take some time (and $$$...weep) to clean, refurbish, and find the missing/broken parts, but the process is already bringing me closer to my grandfather who died when I was 4 years old, and my dad, who still has the old 10ER in the garage. Oh and someday I'll join those of you who believe one is not enough, because there is no way the old 10ER is ever leaving the family.

reible · Post by **reible** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:20 pm

Got to love the story and family history!

Welcome to the forum, I think you are going to like it here.

Ed

dgale · Post by **dgale** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:27 pm

Great story! Don't feel the need to wait to inherit the 10E - they can be bought for <=$100 on CraigsList and make an excellent dedicated lathe or drill press, resulting in less switching back and forth for you with your 510. There's not much that beckons back to the days of my Grandfather like a fine piece of cast iron machinery built in the days when they were made to last forever. I inherited my Dad's 500, which he bought in '78 and taught me to use as a lad...I love it for sentimental reasons but I sure do love the simplicity of the 10E's I've picked up since then.

terrydowning · Post by **terrydowning** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:26 am

From one 3rd Gen to another, welcome to the forum.

The 55 "Greenie" I use was originally purchased, by my grandfather, then passed to my Dad in the early 70's. I still remember the trip to pick it up

. I inherited it in 2001 when my mom and dad moved and dad knew he wasn't going to use it anymore.

I grew up learning to use both hand and power woodworking tools, the SS was always the "Biggy" and I got to start using when I was a teenager.

I have since restored the machine and continue to use it for various projects. I hope it goes to one of my kids none of them show much interest at present (which is fine for now as I'm still using it.)

Please update your profile and let us know where you're at.

tvidnoviciii · Post by **tvidnoviciii** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:21 pm

Feeling a bit overwhelmed with my 510 this morning. My thoughts of a full restoration (like new or better condition) are long gone and am now just trying to refurbish it (best that I can make it with what I have at my disposal). I've been able to acquire all of the missing parts for less than half of retail on ebay. I've also had the studs in one of the main table tubes repaired (previous owner took a saber saw to the studs and replaced them with bolts, preventing the extension tubes from being usable). I've also cleaned up the way tubes, drill chuck, main table, miter gauge, upper and lower saw guards, tool rest, tail stock, lathe tools, and a bunch of other bits and pieces. I also got started on cleaning up the jointer. Earlier in the week I began to get delusions of grandeur about cutting some wood. All I need to do is take care of the headstock.

Last night I disassembled the head stock and found a whole bunch of unsurprising, but unexpected work to do. Basically ALL internal parts have either rust or corrosion on them. The sheaves were more corroded than I thought they were and everything is going to have a good go over with a wire brush/wheel and/or scotch brite. The idler shaft looks good though and the speed control is in good order. All the bearings spin quiet and seem to be in good condition. The wiring is also in good shape. I'm not happy with how the floating sheave is operating (I had lubricated it a couple of weeks ago), so I may disassemble and clean everything up to make sure it's OK. My conclusion that this unit was not used much, but neglected has certainly been confirmed

I am having a couple of other issues that are more nits and manifestations of my OCD than anything else. I am having trouble getting the motor removed from the motor pan. I'm going through the usual progression of tricks (PB blaster, heat, etc) but I hope I don't have to drill them out. If it comes to that, I'll probably leave it ... for now. I also want to remove the headstock locking mechanism, but I have to push out that little pin in the handle. Any tricks for that, and more importantly how much of a PITA is it to put it back in?

nuhobby · Post by **nuhobby** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:25 pm

For motor-to-pan bolts, if you don't mind nicking them (& replacing them subsequently), a cold-chisel can 'impact' them into turning.

For the pin in the handle, you can get a nice set of punches at a hardware store, not a lot of money. They'll drive it out cleanly and it can be re-used.

Enjoy!

wa2crk · Post by **wa2crk** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:47 pm

Remember that the lock handle on the threaded rod is a left hand thread.
Bill V

griffmeister · Post by **griffmeister** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:25 pm

Before you take a chisel to the motor screws, a hand held impact driver might do the job quite nicely with no damage. Helps to use the right size bit, too. If they're like my 500, then a number 3 philips should fit nice and snug.

tvidnoviciii · Post by **tvidnoviciii** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:33 am

Well, it's been a while since I updated and it has certainly been a trying 6 weeks or so with the old 'Smith. I've pretty much entered the home stretch on the refurb, all I have left is to repaint the jointer and clean up the extension tables. I spent the better part of last weekends free time aligning the main table, rip fence, miter gauge, and any thing else I could think of. My plan for this weekend was to finish off the jointer.

I spent 3 hrs flattening my waterstones (don't ask) so I could put a fine edge on my jointer knives. Repainting was on tap for this weekend, until last night. I found a band saw (aluminum table with fence and upgrade kit as well as 4 blades) on Craigslist for a song. So I picked it up last night and spent my free time today going over and getting the alignment right on the band saw.

After that was all done I was resawing a 1x4x4" just to see how everything works when I heard a crack and then saw white smoke billowing out of the motor compartment of my MK V. I shut the power off as fast as I could, unplugged and removed the motor pan from the headstock. After everything cleared up, I gave the motor another go. It started up, but started smoking, so I shut it off immediately and removed the motor from the motor pan and took the back cover off of it. I found some black goo throughout the motor, but mostly concentrated near the top of the capacitor (where the wires connect). I also found a ball of what appears to be a waxy paper. Don't know where that came from. none of the wiring appears to be damaged. the only other damage is the waxed string that is wound around the copper coils to hold the windings in place. They appear to be melted. I think that the capacitor blew, but I'm not sure. I think the goo is dielectric that was blown out of the capacitor.

The question is. Is the motor ruined, or can I clean out the goo, replace the capacitor, and use some zip ties around the coils to secure them and give it a go?

Sorry about no pics, I'll try to upload some of them later. BTW, the motor is an Emerson 1 1/8 hp.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:50 am

tvidnoviciii wrote:Well, it's been a while since I updated and it has certainly been a trying 6 weeks or so with the old 'Smith. I've pretty much entered the home stretch on the refurb, all I have left is to repaint the jointer and clean up the extension tables. I spent the better part of last weekends free time aligning the main table, rip fence, miter gauge, and any thing else I could think of. My plan for this weekend was to finish off the jointer.

I spent 3 hrs flattening my waterstones (don't ask) so I could put a fine edge on my jointer knives. Repainting was on tap for this weekend, until last night. I found a band saw (aluminum table with fence and upgrade kit as well as 4 blades) on Craigslist for a song. So I picked it up last night and spent my free time today going over and getting the alignment right on the band saw.

After that was all done I was resawing a 1x4x4" just to see how everything works when I heard a crack and then saw white smoke billowing out of the motor compartment of my MK V. I shut the power off as fast as I could, unplugged and removed the motor pan from the headstock. After everything cleared up, I gave the motor another go. It started up, but started smoking, so I shut it off immediately and removed the motor from the motor pan and took the back cover off of it. I found some black goo throughout the motor, but mostly concentrated near the top of the capacitor (where the wires connect). I also found a ball of what appears to be a waxy paper. Don't know where that came from. none of the wiring appears to be damaged. the only other damage is the waxed string that is wound around the copper coils to hold the windings in place. They appear to be melted. I think that the capacitor blew, but I'm not sure. I think the goo is dielectric that was blown out of the capacitor.

The question is. Is the motor ruined, or can I clean out the goo, replace the capacitor, and use some zip ties around the coils to secure them and give it a go?

Sorry about no pics, I'll try to upload some of them later. BTW, the motor is an Emerson 1 1/8 hp.

Smoke is not a good sign.

Broken lacing is also not a good sign.

What is the color of the windings? Black is bad.

Is there a hole in the capacitor? Look at the end where the terminals are. Look for a pressure relief port.

And the centrifugal start switch-does it operate freely by hand?

Do post pix!!!!

Need to know if run or start windings have broken lacing.

The cap should be a dry dielectric.