Hi all,
I am new to this forum and new to the Shopsmith family. I recently purchased a used (late 70s) Mark V + Bandsaw attachement.
I looked thorugh a lot of the information and videos online and cleaned it as much as I could without taking it apart (perhaps when I gather more courage)
I did have a problem with the speed control dial. The speed adjustment works fine and I can rev from slow to high with little problems.
I tried to clean out the inside of the speed control diag by taking off the know. I unscrewed the indicated screw with an allen key and expected the dial knob to come off. But it does not. It seems to be still attached to something else so I can't get inside to clean.
Can anybody offer any suggestions on how to take the speed know off or what could be blocking it once the screw is taken off?
Many thanks,
Pawel
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a1gutterman
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Hi Pawel,
We are talking about the part of the dial with the ShopSmith logo on it, right? Once you loosen the 3/16" hex setscrew (hidden pretty much in the center of the dial), accessed through the hole on the edge of the outer dial, it should pop right off. If it won't come off easy, either the setscrew is not loose enough, or something is jammed. I know what I wood do, but you will have to decide for yourself. First, I wood leave it alone if the speed control was working like you say it is; Second, I wood make absolutely sure that the setscrew is loose, then I wood pry off the dial with a flat blade screwdriver. Good luck. What part of the world do you hail from?
We are talking about the part of the dial with the ShopSmith logo on it, right? Once you loosen the 3/16" hex setscrew (hidden pretty much in the center of the dial), accessed through the hole on the edge of the outer dial, it should pop right off. If it won't come off easy, either the setscrew is not loose enough, or something is jammed. I know what I wood do, but you will have to decide for yourself. First, I wood leave it alone if the speed control was working like you say it is; Second, I wood make absolutely sure that the setscrew is loose, then I wood pry off the dial with a flat blade screwdriver. Good luck. What part of the world do you hail from?
Tim
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Hi Pawel! My guess is you were not successful in turning (loosening) the Allen screw far enough. There is a small round countersunk spot on the shaft that this screw fits in to. If your only reason for taking off the dial is to clean it, there will probably nothing gained, but a little experience by removing the dial. This is one little bugger of a screw! At least it can be!
I can't recommend sliding a rag behind the speed dial. There is the "dial spring" (504228) (ref. no. 83) that can catch a piece of rag and get jerked out of place. If you try to get behind the dial itself there is the little horizontally mounted coil spring (504196) (ref. no 73) that could get displaced. The best way to clean dust out is to use compressed air.
If you really want to remove the dial to see what is behind it (nothing wrong with that)- run the speed to a place where the little hole in the dial is facing upward. Then using a trouble light illuminate the allen screw and loosen it. You should be able to tell when it is loose enough as the speed dial will move outward a small amount. After inspecting and cleaning - install the dial and the screw in the same upward location. Be careful not to rotate the speed control shaft after removing the dial, until it is again re-installed.
I can't recommend sliding a rag behind the speed dial. There is the "dial spring" (504228) (ref. no. 83) that can catch a piece of rag and get jerked out of place. If you try to get behind the dial itself there is the little horizontally mounted coil spring (504196) (ref. no 73) that could get displaced. The best way to clean dust out is to use compressed air.
If you really want to remove the dial to see what is behind it (nothing wrong with that)- run the speed to a place where the little hole in the dial is facing upward. Then using a trouble light illuminate the allen screw and loosen it. You should be able to tell when it is loose enough as the speed dial will move outward a small amount. After inspecting and cleaning - install the dial and the screw in the same upward location. Be careful not to rotate the speed control shaft after removing the dial, until it is again re-installed.
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Welcome to the site Pawel! The guys have steered you true. Rick Davis has a video released through Shopsmith called "The Shopsmith Journals" that explains the procedure just like Tim And Chuck described.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the suggestions. I think prying it off could be my best choice.
The hex setscrew comes off and I can completely remove it from the whole mechanism and set it aside on a table so I know it's not that. The speed dial works but it does get "tough" to turn sometimes although speed does change well. I already lubricated the worm gear mechanism inside. It helped but I think there is still something wrong with the actual speed dial, especially since everybody says it should come off easily once the setscrew is loose. Blasting air is on my list to do but since I'm starting out I have not purchased one yet.
Many thanks,
Pawel
Thanks for the suggestions. I think prying it off could be my best choice.
The hex setscrew comes off and I can completely remove it from the whole mechanism and set it aside on a table so I know it's not that. The speed dial works but it does get "tough" to turn sometimes although speed does change well. I already lubricated the worm gear mechanism inside. It helped but I think there is still something wrong with the actual speed dial, especially since everybody says it should come off easily once the setscrew is loose. Blasting air is on my list to do but since I'm starting out I have not purchased one yet.
Many thanks,
Pawel
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Hi Pawel,
Welcome to the forum!
Your timing is just about perfect as Nick will be doing a video presentation on the speed control in the next Saw Dust Session (April 12). If you go to the Hands Online part of the Shopsmith web site and look at the coming attractions for the next Saw Dust Session, you will see a photo of what you can expect to see when you finally get that speed control knob off.
I think it should be said that what you find under the speed control knob is only the "tip of the iceberg" as far as the speed control mechanism is concerned. With the knob removed you will be able to inspect the gear on the back side of the knob which can be damaged or worn, but most other difficulties are likely to be deeper inside the machine.
Again welcome!
Dennis
Welcome to the forum!
Your timing is just about perfect as Nick will be doing a video presentation on the speed control in the next Saw Dust Session (April 12). If you go to the Hands Online part of the Shopsmith web site and look at the coming attractions for the next Saw Dust Session, you will see a photo of what you can expect to see when you finally get that speed control knob off.
I think it should be said that what you find under the speed control knob is only the "tip of the iceberg" as far as the speed control mechanism is concerned. With the knob removed you will be able to inspect the gear on the back side of the knob which can be damaged or worn, but most other difficulties are likely to be deeper inside the machine.
Again welcome!
Dennis
Why don't you register for the upcoming Sawdust Session 17 this coiming weekend, Pawel. (See http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/Sawdust_Sessions.htm ) I'll be showing how to accomplish just what you're asking about.
With all good wishes,
With all good wishes,
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New to SS, gone a litte farther, stuck
Hi, all
Like osiris I am new to SS and have run into a snag cleaning and lubing. Took the whole head apart and cleaned out rust/dust. Fixed sticky quill and so forth but have run into a problem. The motor pulleys have snapped together and I cant get the outside one sliding smoothly again. Been looking at the exploded diagrams and cant quite tell if it's possible the pulley slid so far in that it's keyway has become misaligned with the motor shafts key?
Signed up for the Saturday workshop to learn more but would like to get my SS working on a basic level. Anybody seen this, got any suggestions?
Thanks - Matt
Like osiris I am new to SS and have run into a snag cleaning and lubing. Took the whole head apart and cleaned out rust/dust. Fixed sticky quill and so forth but have run into a problem. The motor pulleys have snapped together and I cant get the outside one sliding smoothly again. Been looking at the exploded diagrams and cant quite tell if it's possible the pulley slid so far in that it's keyway has become misaligned with the motor shafts key?
Signed up for the Saturday workshop to learn more but would like to get my SS working on a basic level. Anybody seen this, got any suggestions?
Thanks - Matt
Hi Charlese,
Oh no, the machine runs fine. Everything is spinning as it should. When I dial to slow, the shaft rotates slowly so I can drill, when I dial to fast it increases gradually so nothing is "stuck" in these terms.
The only thing I noticed is that the speed dial is not "smooth" as it should so I wanted to take a look inside by taking off the speed control dial. Other than that I'm very happy with my purchase.
Cheers,
Pawel
Oh no, the machine runs fine. Everything is spinning as it should. When I dial to slow, the shaft rotates slowly so I can drill, when I dial to fast it increases gradually so nothing is "stuck" in these terms.
The only thing I noticed is that the speed dial is not "smooth" as it should so I wanted to take a look inside by taking off the speed control dial. Other than that I'm very happy with my purchase.
Cheers,
Pawel