A Message on How to Deal with Self-Proclaimed Authority

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A Message on How to Deal with Self-Proclaimed Authority

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Dealing with Self-Proclaimed AuthorityThis includes apartment complex managers (the worst), control-freak neighbors, in-laws, siblings, parents - even spouses (be careful here because you can't get away from them so agreement may not be the best practice) (this is a disclaimer so that you can't sue me, this website site administrator, or anyone.:)

How do you deal with people who have no power, no authority, no influence and no control but tell you what you must do or that you can’t do something?

When confronted most people simply respond with acquiescence or, even worse, try to explain what they want to do and why. This resistance with non-compliance is met with resistance from the person who told them what they must do or cannot do. Neither acquiescence nor resistance is the answer. The answer is agreement. Agree with what the confronter has said. People assume that agreement means compliance. Agree - and then move on. Only law enforcement officers are trained to deal with people who agree with them and then move on and do what they want.

I learned this in 1980 when I wanted to buy the Tuesday Wall Street Journal and found that the closest place to purchase it was at the Marriott adjacent to Fashion Island in Newport Beach, CA. I pulled into the parking lot and the hotel shop was on the front so I parked in front of it. As soon as I exited the car a doorman came from the front and said, “Sir, are you a guest of the hotel.” I replied that I was not but was just going to buy a paper.

He replied while pointing to a spot 30 yards away, “Sir, you will have to park over there.” I did, walked to the shop, bought the paper and drove away.

The next week I returned and parked in front of the shop and he repeated his question; “Sir, are you a guest of the hotel?” I said I was, thinking this would make a difference. He said, “Sir you will have to park over there,” pointing to the same place thirty yards away.

So, guest or not the answer was the same. He had been trained not to annoy anyone but to have only one answer, “Sir, you will have to park over there,” which brought compliance.

I returned the following week and parked in the same place in front of the shop and was met with the same question. When told I had to park in his designated parking area I said, “Oh, okay” (I agreed with him – no resistance nor explanation, just agreement) and proceeded in, bought the paper and went on my way. We repeated this for more than 30 weeks. He didn’t know how to deal with it and after a few weeks ignored it although I bought the Tuesday paper for many months.

About a year ago a woman who has a small service dog told me that whenever she goes to Wall-Mart she is accosted (greeters are gone having been replaced by accosters, who tell her that she can’t bring her dog in. She has to explain to them that it is a service dog and often they demand proof (which is not permitted by ADA regulations). I told her how to deal with it. Just agree and move on. What are they going to do? Grab her (lawsuit), escort her out (lawsuit), call security (unlikely, but possibly another lawsuit). Call the cops? As if they have time to deal with this from Wall-Mart. Just agree and move on. I ran into her later at the pet isle and she told me that it worked beautifully. No more hassle and they finally learned to leave her alone. Agree and move on.

When people tell you that you can’t do something or that you must do something just agree and move on, doing whatever it was you intended. Immediately they will leave you alone. Never argue nor explain. Just agree, "Okay," and do whatever it was that you wanted to do. They did what they were trained to do and don't want to do anything differently so nothing will result from your agreement. Just agree and move on.

I assume you read the first part of this, which described who those people are.
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i.e. Reply "whatever".:D
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I know a few phrases in German and a few in Spanish. Enough to say I don't speak English. Usually works and, as you suggest, just smile nod and move on.
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My Spanish was learned in the south Bronx in the 60's and can't be used on this forum or in mixed company.:D :D
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I agree, completely. :D
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Some folks are busybodies and a real pain to the world...but the Doorman was just doing his job...ditto with the greeters at Walmart...

Very few of the low level peons in the world are privileged to just come in and do anything that they want to and get paid for it....(I'll gladly come back to work for that job)...:)

Some folks do have to show up and do what they are told to get paid...
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I was a chaplain in the military (ANG & USAF) for 32 years. I had called on a older patient and friend in the hospital after hip replacement surgery. I was sitting with the women when a nurse's aid came in to get her ready to go home. She went over procedures, including telling her she was entitled to so many home PT visits, but that she could not leave her home as this would violate Medicare rules and she would lose the home visits.

I piped-up at that point and asked if she could go to chapel, and was told "no". I then noted that this violated her Constitutional First Amendment rights that our government, rules or not, cannot prohibit a person's right to worship. The nurse's aid started to sputter, say quickly she didn't know about "that", so forth and so on, and it was evident that she was in the category of "know/no nothing" enumerated above.

This left me with a lasting observations: Our constitutional rights are violated every day by our own government's alphabet soup of agencies and their "rules". I don't know if Medicare recipients are spied upon and reported for breaking the rules, but I do know that this "seasoned citizen" would have followed the nurse's aid's instructions and given-up her right to worship. I have to say the push back felt good in my case. I am also of a mind that to pretend to listen to the rule-pushers and just say "whatever" and move on, ignoring it all, is also useful. I pray that a rule bound society does not crush the American spirit.
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WmZiggy wrote:I was a chaplain in the military (ANG & USAF) for 32 years. I had called on a older patient and friend in the hospital after hip replacement surgery. I was sitting with the women when a nurse's aid came in to get her ready to go home. She went over procedures, including telling her she was entitled to so many home PT visits, but that she could not leave her home as this would violate Medicare rules and she would lose the home visits.

I piped-up at that point and asked if she could go to chapel, and was told "no". I then noted that this violated her Constitutional First Amendment rights that our government, rules or not, cannot prohibit a person's right to worship. The nurse's aid started to sputter, say quickly she didn't know about "that", so forth and so on, and it was evident that she was in the category of "know/no nothing" enumerated above.

This left me with a lasting observations: Our constitutional rights are violated every day by our own government's alphabet soup of agencies and their "rules". I don't know if Medicare recipients are spied upon and reported for breaking the rules, but I do know that this "seasoned citizen" would have followed the nurse's aid's instructions and given-up her right to worship. I have to say the push back felt good in my case. I am also of a mind that to pretend to listen to the rule-pushers and just say "whatever" and move on, ignoring it all, is also useful. I pray that a rule bound society does not crush the American spirit.
The problem is balance...but you should also remember that Inmates are constantly suing You The Taxpayer... because Their Rights are being Violated..Some are real issues and many are things like my slice of cake wasn't big enough...And there have been some huge settlements paid...

You should see the hoops that The DOC jumps through to accommodate the Black Muslims especially at Ramadan....I may think that they are just another Prison Gang...but that doesn't matter ...The Courts have ruled...

And lets no forget the Right ..Shrouded in Religious Freedom ...of some to disrupt the funerals of Veterans...

It is because people are unreasonable that we as a society need rules to function ....If not the few would ruin it for the many....It happens over and over again on all levels large and small....People like you may think that there is no need for a law forbidding Heinous acts...But if not for the law...There actually are people who would sell their own kids into prostitution and so on...
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steve4447 wrote:People like you may think that there is no need for a law forbidding Heinous acts...But if not for the law...There actually are people who would sell their own kids into prostitution and so on...
I should just say "whatever" here, but it is hard to let it pass.

"People like me??" You don't know a thing about me, except what I have disclosed.

You talk about "balance", and then misread me into arguing for prostitution, heinous acts, etc... Sorry guy, I'm not against rules as long as they don't violate the Constitution. Last time I looked, prostitution and heinous acts are not protected behaviors. If you don't like religious freedom, take it up with Constitutional Framers.
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steve4447 wrote:Some folks are busybodies and a real pain to the world...but the Doorman was just doing his job...ditto with the greeters at Walmart...

Some folks do have to show up and do what they are told to get paid...
You nailed it. The Doorman and the Greeter get paid to do what they are told to do. You and I, however, are not paid by their employers to do what they tell us to do. Too many people try to explain "why" they want to do something and waste a lot of time, get frustrated, get into an argument, get mad and have a bad day and often give that poor employee grief; just agree, move on and do what you want.
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