Infeed/Outfeed Tables

[charlese]

Well said Chuck! BTW, you will be happy to view the Sawdust Session that was presented today. I highly recommend that you do so when it becomes available.

I'll be sure to see it. I do view at all of them later, but refuse to get out of bed until 7:30 AM. (one of the benefits of retirement) Then it takes at least a half hour to down some coffee.

[a1gutterman]

I'll be sure to see it. I do view at all of them later, but refuse to get out of bed until 7:30 AM. (one of the benefits of retirement) Then it takes at least a half hour to down some coffee.

I get up M-F @ 5AM. Doing so on Sat. morn., twice a month, does not cause me any inconvenience. It then allows me to watch the SS @ 6AM my time, and I am ready for family things the rest of the day.

[Ed in Tampa]

What purpose does the extension table brackets serve?

Answered below.

All you need is something to hold the table to the main table right there is not need to try to support it fully on the extension brackets is there?

The extension Brackets ARE the support to hold the extension to the main table.

I haven't seen SS outfeed table other than this morning in the Sawdust session but it looks like a simply bracket bolted to the table with a hole large enough for the support tube to pass through. It then acts like a hinge letting holding the table in plane but allowing it to swing up and down. Or am I missing something?

I did not get up early enough to see the Saturday Saw' Session, but with the extension brackets, you won't need another bracket or a hole in the main table. The extension brackets serve that purpose (along with Dusty's "L" bracket.) Use of the extension bracket ties in both possible rotation points (the two tubes) with the bottom of the main table. The brackets are strong enough to hold the extension table level with the main table, and also will allow vertical adjustment. Dusty's discovery is BRILLIANT!

Chuck
You need to see the video. The existing Shopsmith outfeed table only employs a bracket similar to the one Dusty built out of angle iron (aluminum in this case) with a hole for the support tube to fit through. I see no purpose in the extension brackets Dusty also has on his table.

All the brackets on the Shopsmith table does is allow the user to attach the table to the SS. Sort of in a hinge fashion. The extension bracket was designed to hold the floating tables in a outfeed postion and allow spacing for the two tubed one to connect the bracket to the table and one to connect the floating table to the bracket.
However if you space the aluminum L supports wide enough to straddle the main table and drill a hold big enough to allow the support tube to pass through, that should all that would be needed.
Like I said you need to see the video of the Sawdust session.

I'm going hunting for aluminum L that is has upright big enough to drill through. Secondly I'm going to call Shopsmith Tuesday (oh why did they have to wait for a long weekend to show us this exciting outfeed table) and see if I can order the brackets on the Shopsmith outfeed table separately.

I wish Dusty who saw the Sawdust Session and has the extension brackets would comment. I think he probably explain exactly what he used them. To me it seems that he started with the idea. Got a better idea and never went back and took them off. I'm probably wrong. I would really like to understand their purpose on dusty's setup.
Ed

[fjimp]

Dusty
What purpose does the extension table brackets serve?

From the Saw dust session this morning it looks like could just mounted your table to the SS by passing the table support tube through the hole you made in you aluminum L bracket.

All you need is something to hold the table to the main table right there is not need to try to support it fully on the extension brackets is there?

I haven't seen SS outfeed table other than this morning in the Sawdust session but it looks like a simply bracket bolted to the table with a hole large enough for the support tube to pass through. It then acts like a hinge letting holding the table in plane but allowing it to swing up and down. Or am I missing something?
Ed

Ed and Dusty,

I have the Shopsmith version of the outfeed table. Ed raises a good question in my mind the mounting bracket on the Shopsmith table is sufficient. Please keep in mind the Shopsmith table is heavier than Dusty's version. I am still trying to figure out the best method for mounting the angled arm. The drawings Nick and Drew provided this morning are very interesting yet for some reason using wooden brackets (or even parts for those brackets) for mounting seem a bit light weight for my taste. I did appreciate learning how simply I can adapt my shopsmith version of the outfeed table. Jim

[a1gutterman]

Ed and Dusty,

I have the Shopsmith version of the outfeed table. Ed raises a good question in my mind the mounting bracket on the Shopsmith table is sufficient. Please keep in mind the Shopsmith table is heavier than Dusty's version. I am still trying to figure out the best method for mounting the angled arm. The drawings Nick and Drew provided this morning are very interesting yet for some reason using wooden brackets (or even parts for those brackets) for mounting seem a bit light weight for my taste. I did appreciate learning how simply I can adapt my shopsmith version of the outfeed table. Jim

I do not see any problem with the wood parts. There are two different "wood part" systems here. One of them deals with the table support: These parts are completely enclosed within metal tubing, and are a lot easier for a wood worker to make then any other method. I can not see how, using them as directed, they can fail. I wood be more concerned with the screws ripping out of the table where the support leg is mounted then these wood parts failing. The other one is a "double fork" that helps hold the shop made riving knife in place. I do not see that part wearing out with proper use either. But a periodic inspection of these wood parts wood certainly alleviate any concern of failure. Perhaps, if they were worn bad, you could not do the set-up, and then you wood have to re-make them, but, IMHO, regardless of any wear they incur, if you could do the set-up, they wood not fail while using them.

[fjimp]

I do not see any problem with the wood parts. There are two different "wood part" systems here. One of them deals with the table support: These parts are completely enclosed within metal tubing, and are a lot easier for a wood worker to make then any other method. I can not see how, using them as directed, they can fail.

Tim,
I must have seen this differently than your view. The lower bracket is in fact totally enclosed in metal, For that one I agree with your assessment. In fact that is a very clever means of attachment. The upper bracket Is the one I must not have seen correctly. I saw it as not enclosed in metal. I guess I will wait for an opportunity to view these sessions again. Thanks for the input. Jim

[dusty]

The Outfeed Table that we saw today, on the Sawdust Session, is the basis Support Table (555307) with some really neat modifications.

I like the t-track approach so that the miter gauge can be employed. The miter gauge, outfitted with an extension bracket (555429) makes a near perfect fence extension for this application.

The hinge brackets look to be steel rather than aluminum like mine. Much more refined than mine. Same principle.

The upper support bracket (underside of table) is a keen solution and more sophisticated mechanical interface than mine. This is a rendition of what is used on the Support Table 555307. Mine uses a part similar to the part (part of 514529) that attaches the telescoping support leg to the support tubes.

My Outfeed Table is totally home brew and is made using 1/2" birch plywood. This is definitely inadequate and especially so if you plan to cut in the t-track.

As Ed pointed out, the hinge mechanism that I have on my first version is simple L shaped aluminum angle with a hole for the support bar. One mounted on each side of the table.

The table is then supported with a leg that extends down to an attachment on the vertical support tube. The SS version is secured in the vertical support tube with the bicycle like bar made from wood. I turned a piece of tubing (axle from a swamp cooler) to fit inside the vertical support tube. Same concept, different implementation.

The attachment of the support leg to the underside of the outfeed table is a rendition of the SS Support Table bracket. Mine is a kludge approach that I will NOW probably refine.

Now, I have done a major revision that employs exactly the same table but includes the Extension Table Brackets. This bracket, in effect, cantilevers the outfeed table off the main table. There is NO support leg. There is NO bracket at the lower end of the Table Tube (514344).

The home made aluminum hinge brackets have been redrilled to accomodate two support bars required by the Extension Brackets.

[Ed in Tampa]

Dusty
If I understand you the Shopsmith extension Table support brackets that you used are used to cantilever the outfeed table off the main table, thus removing the requirement of the angled support rod.

Is that correct?

So then we have two plans, one like Nick and Drew showed with an angled support rod running for the outfeed table to the bottom of back Main table upright.

And this modified design by made by Dusty that uses the Shopsmith Extension Table support Brackets, that cantilever the outfeed table off the main table.

I wonder which is the best way to go. Certainly Dusty's doesn't require us to manufacture the two connectors, one that goes into the main table tube and one to mount on the bottom of the outfeed table.

Dusty if I misunderstood you please correct me before this thread goes to far and we lose thought.
Thanks
Ed

[dusty]

Dusty
If I understand you the Shopsmith extension Table support brackets that you used are used to cantilever the outfeed table off the main table, thus removing the requirement of the angled support rod.

Is that correct?

Yes, Ed. You have this correct.

So then we have two plans, one like Nick and Drew showed with an angled support rod running for the outfeed table to the bottom of back Main table upright.

Actually, there are three plans. My original outfeed table uses the angled support rod. Then I modified that by incorporating the Extension Table Brackets. Then there is Nick's version which actually came into being on the forum first. I built mine because Shopsmith wasn't marketing the animated version that Nick posted on the forum.

And this modified design by made by Dusty that uses the Shopsmith Extension Table support Brackets, that cantilever the outfeed table off the main table.

I wonder which is the best way to go. Certainly Dusty's doesn't require us to manufacture the two connectors, one that goes into the main table tube and one to mount on the bottom of the outfeed table.

If you chose to build either version that I have, you must construct the brackets that hang the outfeed table on the main table support tube.

Dusty if I misunderstood you please correct me before this thread goes to far and we lose thought.
Thanks
Ed

Now that I have seen the enhanced version that we saw on the Sawdust Session this morning, I am going to make some changes.

I've been planning all along to rebuild using a 3/4" table top. Now I know I will because I want to incorporate the t-slot. Being able to use the miter gauge as Nick demo'd is terrific.

I will maintain the capability of using the angled support rod. Just in case.
I don't know how much weight the cantileverd version will support.

I cut a hand hold in mine. Something that I can hold onto with one hand while mounting and dismounting the table. Watching Nick, today, I think you saw evidence that the hand hold is needed. Check my photos.

I'll be shopping for 3/4" stock to build the table this next week. I may have to create my own. I want a color that distinguished mine from the commercial ones that are available. My wife dared me to make it pink.

[charlese]

You need to see the video. I see no purpose in the extension brackets Dusty also has on his table.

Yes, I must see the video~

All the brackets on the Shopsmith table does is allow the user to attach the table to the SS. Sort of in a hinge fashion. The extension bracket was designed to hold the floating tables in a outfeed position and allow spacing for the two tubed one to connect the bracket to the table and one to connect the floating table to the bracket.

True! But used as Dusty has them, they are fixed!

However if you space the aluminum L supports wide enough to straddle the main table and drill a hold big enough to allow the support tube to pass through, that should all that would be needed.

True again! But if I already have the SS extension brackets, I can have a shorter or smaller "L" bracket. Or even a U bracket, or maybe square one for more strength.

Like I said you need to see the video of the Sawdust session.
Yes, I do!

I would really like to understand their purpose on Dusty's setup.

One of the things you can do with Dusty's setup is to adjust the pitch of the auxiliary table. I have an attempted explanation of the major purpose below. The main purpose is to stabilize the auxiliary table.

Trying to get us onto the same page, here's a crude drawing of the set-up Dusty used in this thread and on his new avatar.
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What I tried to display is the SS table bracket. The #1 circle represents the main table tube. Both it and the small upright rectangle are "attached" to the main table. The upright rectangle represents the height adjustment screw on the bracket. It is attached to the main table from the upward force (teeter totter effect) caused by the downward force of the extension table. (The heavier the table the more upward force at this point.)

Both circles #1 and #2 (tubes run thru these circles) are connected together by the "L" bracket. In this way, because of the "L" bracket, the auxiliary table cannot pivot without first breaking the "L" bracket from the auxiliary table.

Since in this configuration, the auxiliary table's position is fixed by tube #1 & #2 - and tube #1 is fixed to the table as is the adjustment screw (vertical rectangle) the auxiliary table cannot swivel down. The SS extension bracket, the "L" bracket and the tubes work together to make the auxiliary table a unit that is stationary with any movement (vertical or tilting) of the main table.