Mark 7 - Mark V Miter Gauge Assembly Exploded

[everettdavis]

Mark 7 - Mark V Miter Gauge Assembly Service Parts Exploded Diagram scaled to "C" size 17 x 22 due to size of part

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[dusty]

Again, I like and really appreciate these drawings.

This one, however, has tweaked another irritant (at least for me).

To understand what I am talking about, try to forget (ignore) what you know about the Shopsmith website and Shopsmith document. You are a new user and you want to buy a miter gauge. Not the one by Incra but rather the one by Shopsmith.

You know about the web site (shopsmith.com). You are ready to order a 'miter gauge'. Go for it. Tell me if it was frustrating. Remember, you are new at this. You do not know part numbers, version numbers, etc. You just want to buy the original miter gauge to go with that Mark V you just got.

Sorry for the hijack.

[everettdavis]

It's not a hijack at all. I am trying to keep these drawings separate so that discussion can take place relative to the parts illustrated.

If one looks at the side by side Table drawings I did previously, one finds three tables as that's what Shopsmith sold 500 then 505-510 then 520 - Mark 7.

When a newbie goes to on-line parts they find three tables available and can likely find what they need.

From the Miter Gauge Assembly perspective, that's not the case even though clearly with three tables, only two have T-Slots and therefore there is a difference between the slots the Miter Gauges fit in.

There is no on-line parts drawing in the parts section for the early Miter Gauge bar.

You posted an excellent dimensnional drawing of the Miter Track back in 2010 for the T-Slot Track http://www.shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewt ... 028#p81028

The newbie may or may not catch the fact that the tracks are different, or that a screw with a T-Slot Washer is present on the base of the new bar, but would have to be removed to use in an early table.


They also might not realize that there is a Quick Clamp Retro Fit Kit to upgrade the earlier gauge which is yet again an upgrade to the earliest gauge that had no hold down at all.


One can go to the main shopsmith page at http://www.shopsmith.com/ and search for parts. It would be nice if it were on the top bar.

The first listing it presents from the search is the replacement parts catalog. A newbie may not know what version of Shopsmith they have and depending on who has updated and maintained it, even with a model number may not know for sure.

I took the Buying a Used Shopsmith document that I have since verified was written by Nick Engler, as he references it in some of his videos, and updated it with photos linked to posts in the forum, and a lot of other content to help someone get oriented.

Buying a Used Shopsmith Revisited

I also am providing links on that page to the drawings I am creating. I am modifying the drawings to my own taste, and reorienting the exploded parts drawings to simplify them and their relationships to each other.

[everettdavis]

I think I just found at least one of your points.... If I am not a member and logged in, I cannot search anything.

I am so accustomed to logging in before I do anything, I had not tried to do anything as a non-member, which is where a newbie would be coming to the site for the first time.

What else is causing heartburn for newbies that you are also thinking of?

OK... it just got better... or worse based on one's perspective... I knew to go to the Forums to Login.

There is no Login option on the Homepage.

I also know from other experience that I can search sites in Google by entering the phrase correctly and search sites I am not a member of that restricts viewers in this way, by not allowing searches at the site when not logged in. Google returns the search results regardless, and I can further restrict to just Images etc.

Here is an example of that

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[admin]

I think I just found at least one of your points.... If I am not a member and logged in, I cannot search anything.

I am so accustomed to logging in before I do anything, I had not tried to do anything as a non-member, which is where a newbie would be coming to the site for the first time.

What else is causing heartburn for newbies that you are also thinking of?

OK... it just got better... or worse based on one's perspective... I knew to go to the Forums to Login.

There is no Login option on the Homepage.

I'm not sure I am totally understanding. I did check and found an error in FORUM permissions that didn't allow searches unless logged in (now fixed). None of that affects the search for the home page (or other non-forum pages).

Did I miss a second problem?

[everettdavis]

I think I just found at least one of your points.... If I am not a member and logged in, I cannot search anything.

I am so accustomed to logging in before I do anything, I had not tried to do anything as a non-member, which is where a newbie would be coming to the site for the first time.

What else is causing heartburn for newbies that you are also thinking of?

OK... it just got better... or worse based on one's perspective... I knew to go to the Forums to Login.

There is no Login option on the Homepage.

I'm not sure I am totally understanding. I did check and found an error in FORUM permissions that didn't allow searches unless logged in (now fixed). None of that affects the search for the home page (or other non-forum pages).

Did I miss a second problem?

Admin,

I was trying to determine what Dusty was thinking of in his comment to me about hijacking the thread. He stated that one should look at the site from the perspective of a new owner trying to buy a part for their recently acquired (used I presume) Shopsmith.

I didn't have anything else that I noticed, and only found that after searching about a bit while trying to ferret out what he was thinking in that regard.

I didn't notice anything other than it might be nice to have a Login and a 'Parts' link on the main dropdown selection bar as it will get potential buyers to that section directly.

Thanks,

Everett

[dusty]

Without using the skills acquired by having used these sites for a few years, just enter either of the sites with the objective of purchasing an original Shopsmith Miter Gauge. The Miter Gauge being just an example. Remember, you know little about the Shopsmith and you do not know part numbers.

Yes, just go here: http://www.shopsmith.com/ and search for that specific miter gauge.

I think you will find out what I am talking about. Unless you know your way around, surfing the site is not intuitive.

For giggles - try 'rip fence' or 'any part unique to a 500. Remember, a large percentage of new users are likely to have older machines purchased from other than Shopsmith.

[JPG]

For what I think are reasonable reasons, SS concentrates on current version of 'things'.

Finding earlier versions is actually unlikely. For that stuff there is CS. At least that was the case up until the recent 'retiring'.

[everettdavis]

I understand in a limited way what both of you are saying and the resources that Shopsmith has to cover 60 years of products made by three different companies through the years.

In a limited way I am trying through documentation that I can assemble to help such a newbie find some footing and be aware of what they have and where generational changes exist.

One doesn't have to be on Shopsmith's homepage to find that variances and revisions through the years and product updates can present challenges in knowing what to order specifically.

A quick visit to eBay or Craigslist to find what used systems and parts folks are selling (or perhaps think they are selling) can vary widely.

Couple that with tribute repainting of 'C' series headstocks as Greenies and Goldies, or an 'A' series headstock in Shopsmith gray with or without any Drive Assembly updates from Gilmer drives, and it is confusing sometimes even for a more experienced person at first glance to know what they are looking at.

Thank God for the forums and the knowledge you folks so freely share.

I hope to continue documenting what I can. In another thread, regarding the rip fences for example, I am really trying to get it right, even allowing for the original and the updated replacement 500 rip fence upgrade with a T-Slot on it, similar to the 505-510 fence. I am keeping those posts separate though referenced with links in the Buying a used Shopsmith post.

There are so many options that can make work safer (or even possible) that I need to incorporate in some way in the drawings. Stackable Feather-boards being just one example.

If I can in some way help the newbies understand the variables and feel more comfortable maybe I can help pass on the passion to the next generations of Shopsmith owners.

I have some plans for something really special if I can make it happen in 2016, but that is another series of threads off in a cloud of future sawdust at this point.

I love reading other folks ideas and seeing your home-made jigs, customizations and projects, as well as making sawdust, like most of you I suspect.

Everett

[everettdavis]

Without using the skills acquired by having used these sites for a few years, just enter either of the sites with the objective of purchasing an original Shopsmith Miter Gauge. The Miter Gauge being just an example. Remember, you know little about the Shopsmith and you do not know part numbers.

Yes, just go here: http://www.shopsmith.com/ and search for that specific miter gauge.

I think you will find out what I am talking about. Unless you know your way around, surfing the site is not intuitive.

For giggles - try 'rip fence' or 'any part unique to a 500. Remember, a large percentage of new users are likely to have older machines purchased from other than Shopsmith.

I understand and agree it can be a challenge when you don't know how to get around the site or even expect variances in buying a part you already are missing trying to put a used unit back into service.

I suspect it could be adapted to make it easier to navigate in a number of areas. As a business owner I also realize that the costs to do that can be an issue for Shopsmith or anyone.

I had raised the issue before that some of the forum members might be able and willing to contribute time and effort to a pro-bono project or two that Shopsmith was comfortable engaging, but that's a liability to them as well potentially.

Sometimes just the project management efforts of managing a team of volunteers who can abandon their post at anytime can be overwhelming to the existing Shopsmith staff who already have a full time job doing something else.