Quill stuck and motor screech

[Abilectic]

Hi, first post here so go easy. I just scored a '56 greenie from a friend yesterday and spent most of today checking it out and reading through online posts and documentation to see what parts might be missing, turns out there's quite a few. It came with a jig saw, band saw and disk sander, as well as a table saw but no fence. The lathe came with no tool rest and despite a box full of saw blades for the band saw and the table saw and other small things, there's no chuck for the drill or head pieces for the lathe. I'm going to be paying a visit to my friends shop to search around for these missing pieces later. There is a fair amount of surface rust on the tubes that I'm treating overnight, and earlier today I put the motor through it's paces and that where I ran into my first problems.

I took the cover off and dusted off the belts and pulleys and they all look in pretty decent shape (I will post some pics at some point). I turned on the motor and ran the dial through the various speeds for a few seconds and that all looked good as well, after about 30 seconds it started to make a high pitched screeching noise, so I immediately shut it off thinking a bearing might be going bad somewhere and I didn't want to cause further damage. When I went over to the quill to try to extract it and examine the bearing there, I discovered the quill does not extend and retract at all. I did remove the allen screw on top of the housing and shoot some penetrating oil in there, I also loosened all the quill tensioner handles and tried to get some in those cracks as well without any change, it simply won't budge. I uncovered the set screw that holds the quill return spring housing and when I loosed it the housing itself started to spin as the spring released tension, not the shaft as I've been seeing in some repair videos. Before I get too far into this I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before and whats the best way to commence getting these parts moving again.

[JPG]

You got a Greenie so IIRC the quill return spring housing is not 'D' shaped. It being a 56, though makes that statement suspect.

Have you 'released' the quill lock?

As for screeching bearing, there be the motor, the drive sleeve, idler shaft, control sheave as well as the quill. It might also be the drive sleeve clutch.

I am curious what you are doing to 'treat' the tubes overnight.

I do hope you did not tighten the 'top' set screw tight.

Despite the screech, do the shafts turn freely? Realize belt tension will make it stiff.

Do you know if the headstock is an "A" or a "B" version?(1956 double check!)

[Abilectic]

I did release the quill lock, I pretty much took it all the way off... top set screw is currently removed, but I'll be sure not to tighten it too much when i put it back.
The shafts do turn freely and can be turned by hand form the quill with a fair amount of effort mostly due to the lack of something to grip.

[edited] I have a B headstock

for the tube treatment I have paper towels soaked in evaporust wrapped around the tubes that I'll remove before work tomorrow morning.

[beeg]

While ya have the quill out. Clean it, wax it, clean clean the quill hole and was that to. Oil both sheaves. When ya reinstall the quill, tighten the top set screw down so it holds the quill in position. Then slowly loosen it while holding the quill handle. When the quill moves, stop loosening the setscrew.

[Abilectic]

can't wait to start doing all that, but I need to actually get the quill out first... tonight I took out the shaft with pinion gear that extends the quill and used a prybar to try to move the quill with no luck, I didn't want to put too much pressure on the case but I used more than enough to move something lightly stuck. I took off the front snap ring and removed the internal shaft to look at the front bearing, it spun fine but there was some black crumbly substance on the inside of the bearing face, looked like metal at first glance but it was more like rubber or really dirty, old sawdust.
Anyway its looking like a complete disassemble and rebuild is in my future.

[Abilectic]

Here's where I left it last night, everything out of the case except the quill and the drive shaft it couples to, neither will budge, I have the snap ring removed from the quill side and the retaining ring removed from the drive shaft on the other end and nothings moving. Not sure if I need to start hammering yet or someone has a better suggestion.

[JPG]

I would first attempt to apply torque to the quill to get it moving.

[Abilectic]

Thanks, I read your post this morning at work and couldn't wait to get home and give this a try but alas I couldn't make it twist at all.
My next thought is to apply some heat with a torch to the aluminum case that cradles the quill on the inside in the hopes of getting that to expand a bit and perhaps let go, any danger of cracking the case here?
I figure the quill may sustain some damage getting it out at this point, (which gives me an excuse to upgrade to the 2-bearing quill), but I certainly don't want to damage the case.

[Abilectic]

Just as an update.... I ended beating the quill shaft about a half inch into the case with a hammer, using a block of wood to protect the end of the quill. This got the quill moving and also positioned it inside the case so that a pry bar could be used to push it back out again. Repeating this a few times got it a little looser each time and then I was able to use various sized blocks of wood to progressively lever the quill further out with the pry bar. once the quill was all the way out I needed to tap the drive shaft out with a punch inserted through where the quill was removed.
The act of hammering the quill backwards in the case pretty much destroyed the plastic piece that sits on the end of the drive shaft. Does anyone have a link to a replacement part for that? I've seen a number of whole drive shaft assemblies for sale, but all I really need is the plastic piece. Thanks.

[JPG]

That part is only a dust shield on a Greenie. Doubt you will find one anywhere.

Glad you got the quill out.