Bevel question

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:36 pm

You certainly do have some neat gadgets in that cold workshop.

I am curious. Why do you not have heat?

reible · Post by **reible** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:10 pm

Hi Dusty,

I use to heat it but I can't afford to any more. I have a kerosene heater that puts out 28K BTUs but that will only take the chill off and getting it to 50 or 55 degrees on warmer days and even less on windy cold days. When I was younger that wasn't to bad but now.... Even if it were warm enough I use to pay less then $1 a gallon and the last time I looked it was near $5 (no idea of current prices). Now this is from memory so take for what that is worth... the tank takes about 3 gallons and will run for about 18 hours. If I convert that to $/hour at the $5 price for oil that would be $.83/hour. If I wanted to work in the shop say today I would have had to started the heater at say 8:00 am and would not be able to work until say 3:00 or 4:00 this afternoon (takes time to heat the tools etc.) Then say I worked until 9:00 tonight... 6 hours of work time but heating time of 13 hours. So for my 6 hours of work time it would cost me $10.79. A 5 day week is $53.95, a month $215.80 and that is just way to much for me to afford. In the old days the cost was more like $40 and I was making some larger amounts.

By the way I'm not even sure if I could get the shop to 40 degrees. It is presently -7 with a 16 mph wind and gusts to 41... wind chill at -30. Hey what do you want for IL weather.

Weather near me:
http://web.live.weatherbug.com/LiveObservations/2/BroadcasterObservations.aspx?zcode=Z5764&stat=CPRVL&lid=DOM

Ed

kd6vpe · Post by **kd6vpe** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:51 pm

This brings up a question on my part. It is 22 degrees out today and I was using my bandsaw and doing some sanding with my new countour sander. I could work for about 1/2 hour and would have to come inside to warm up. Is this bad for the equipment?? I know I can't glue up anything but sawing and sanding I thought would be OK???

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:53 pm

reible wrote:Hi Dusty,

I use to heat it but I can't afford to any more. I have a kerosene heater that puts out 28K BTUs but that will only take the chill off and getting it to 50 or 55 degrees on warmer days and even less on windy cold days. When I was younger that wasn't to bad but now.... Even if it were warm enough I use to pay less then $1 a gallon and the last time I looked it was near $5 (no idea of current prices). Now this is from memory so take for what that is worth... the tank takes about 3 gallons and will run for about 18 hours. If I convert that to $/hour at the $5 price for oil that would be $.83/hour. If I wanted to work in the shop say today I would have had to started the heater at say 8:00 am and would not be able to work until say 3:00 or 4:00 this afternoon (takes time to heat the tools etc.) Then say I worked until 9:00 tonight... 6 hours of work time but heating time of 13 hours. So for my 6 hours of work time it would cost me $10.79. A 5 day week is $53.95, a month $215.80 and that is just way to much for me to afford. In the old days the cost was more like $40 and I was making some larger amounts.

By the way I'm not even sure if I could get the shop to 40 degrees. It is presently -7 with a 16 mph wind and gusts to 41... wind chill at -30. Hey what do you want for IL weather.

Weather near me:
http://web.live.weatherbug.com/LiveObservations/2/BroadcasterObservations.aspx?zcode=Z5764&stat=CPRVL&lid=DOM

Ed

Okay, I can certainly understand that. Especially at the cost of fuel oil which I understand is very expensive this time of year.

Have you ever considered a winter home? Don't answer that. What a dumb question. No, probably for the same reason I don't have a summer hideout from this desert climate.

Sure am glad you don't have to refrain from posting when it is cold.

Gene Howe · Post by **Gene Howe** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:19 pm

[quote="dusty"]Gene]

Dust,

Look at the pic of the home made fence.
I just pull the JT tables and fence away and clamp on the home made fence and tilt the table.

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:56 pm

kd6vpe wrote:This brings up a question on my part. It is 22 degrees out today and I was using my bandsaw and doing some sanding with my new countour sander. I could work for about 1/2 hour and would have to come inside to warm up. Is this bad for the equipment?? I know I can't glue up anything but sawing and sanding I thought would be OK???

I think your machines will be just fine at those temps. If you didn't hear any strange noises or feel new vibrations, you are most probably O.K. The other day, my shop was around 25 deg. (it had been in the teens overnight) and I had a hard time starting my scroll saw. It wouldn't start on low speed but would on high speed. After warming up - it would switch speeds on command. Finished the template, which took all day.

The thing I worry about most in a cold shop is safety. I don't things will break, but I'm always listening for new sounds. On these cold days, I often wear three flannel shirts, with sleeves down and buttoned. I am staying alert as to where my arms and cuffs are when around machines.

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:07 pm

reible wrote:...I use to heat it but I can't afford to any more. ...
By the way I'm not even sure if I could get the shop to 40 degrees. It is presently -7 with a 16 mph wind and gusts to 41... wind chill at -30. Hey what do you want for IL weather.

Ed

I hear (read) you loud and clear, Ed! I commiserate every time I step into my shop in the A.M. when the overnight temp is in the teens. Usually however daytimes get up into the 50s and the sun on the shop is enough to help out my little electric heater. However on those days where daytime temps stay down and/or it's cloudy - the "mass" of the shop cools down dramatically and it's very hard to warm back up. I'm afraid I'm in that situation now, with the three day cold stormy weather that just passed and is now bugging you!

If I can do a one or two hour job, I'll turn my back on the heater and enjoy a warm back while working. But only for a while.

Hey! Today the days start getting longer!!!:D More Sunshine!!!!

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:22 pm

In the "Maintenance and Troubleshooting" section of the users' manual (Mark V Starts Up Slowly), the author implies that the Mark V should operate normally with ambient temperatures above 55 degrees.

Below 55 degrees, the recommended solution is to (you guessed it) warm up the shop.

kd6vpe · Post by **kd6vpe** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:26 pm

Dusty,
Thank you for the research. I should have thought of looking there also. Instead I asked here but then too I haven't been positng much lately so it was good to ask and let others know I'm still around.

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:58 pm

I'M well aware of the 55 deg recommendation from Shopsmith. I have run all my SS stuff at lower temps, and have yet to witness a deleterious effect. However , when cold, I always start at slow speed and let the headstock run for a few minutes before attaching a SPT.

This condition only exists for a couple of months per year at the most.