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Ed in Tampa

There is a YouTube video of the conversion of the DC 3300 to the 6000

The thing that bothers me is when completed and when he turned the converted machine on neither the dust hood nor the collection bag seems to inflate like my DC 3300 does. On my machine the dust hood and the collection bag both get almost rigid from the air pressure but on his the dust hood has wriggles and indentation and the collection bag seems to almost flutter.

Is this actually how the Dc6000 conversion works?

dusty

Ed in Tampa wrote There is a YouTube video of the conversion of the DC 3300 to the 6000

The thing that bothers me is when completed and when he turned the converted machine on neither the dust hood nor the collection bag seems to inflate like my DC 3300 does. On my machine the dust hood and the collection bag both get almost rigid from the air pressure but on his the dust hood has wriggles and indentation and the collection bag seems to almost flutter.

Is this actually how the Dc6000 conversion works?

NO! My bags inflate just like they did before conversion.

Post Script:

However, the assembly fits together a lot different than mine. The 4" coupler appears to be different and the Fan Assembly fits into the main housing as it should.

jsburger

I have watched that video twice and that was the first thing I noticed also.

RFGuy

Ed in Tampa wrote There is a YouTube video of the conversion of the DC 3300 to the 6000

The thing that bothers me is when completed and when he turned the converted machine on neither the dust hood nor the collection bag seems to inflate like my DC 3300 does. On my machine the dust hood and the collection bag both get almost rigid from the air pressure but on his the dust hood has wriggles and indentation and the collection bag seems to almost flutter.

Is this actually how the Dc6000 conversion works?

Ed,

Are you talking about at around 16:28 into the video? Yeah, that video clip where he is ripping at the end doesn't sound like the dust collector is running. Sound-wise I only hear the tablesaw, so I am wondering if maybe this was an edit problem with the video or something. He only has the 12" filter hood so I would definitely expect to see it inflate when turned on, but I question if it is on at this point in the video.

jsburger

RFGuy wrote
Ed in Tampa wrote There is a YouTube video of the conversion of the DC 3300 to the 6000

The thing that bothers me is when completed and when he turned the converted machine on neither the dust hood nor the collection bag seems to inflate like my DC 3300 does. On my machine the dust hood and the collection bag both get almost rigid from the air pressure but on his the dust hood has wriggles and indentation and the collection bag seems to almost flutter.

Is this actually how the Dc6000 conversion works?
Ed,

Are you talking about at around 16:28 into the video? Yeah, that video clip where he is ripping at the end doesn't sound like the dust collector is running. Sound-wise I only hear the tablesaw, so I am wondering if maybe this was an edit problem with the video or something. He only has the 12" filter hood so I would definitely expect to see it inflate when turned on, but I question if it is on at this point in the video.

No it is at 12:12 where he first finished the mod and turns the DC on with his remote. You can hear the DC spool up but the hood and bag don't move.

RFGuy

jsburger wrote No it is at 12:12 where he first finished the mod and turns the DC on with his remote. You can hear the DC spool up but the hood and bag don't move.

Thanks John. Wow...that is shocking. I hadn't seen that and would have to agree with you guys. That is really poor performance and is only the 12" filter hood. It should be swollen up like an air balloon.

jsburger

RFGuy wrote
jsburger wrote No it is at 12:12 where he first finished the mod and turns the DC on with his remote. You can hear the DC spool up but the hood and bag don't move.
Thanks John. Wow...that is shocking. I hadn't seen that and would have to agree with you guys. That is really poor performance and is only the 12" filter hood. It should be swollen up like an air balloon.

Well, there has to be an explanation. That can't possibly be correct.

DLB

Something seriously wrong there. On the plus side, I thought I could see something like an RTV Silicone product sealing the joint between motor and fan housings where mine leaked badly. And as Dusty said, it looked like it fit better.

He mentioned thinking it was much quieter than the DC-3300, maybe it wasn't running at proper speed? I didn't feel there was much difference in sound level between the two. Mine underperformed like that once, I had sucked up a couple of large cottonwood leaves and they stopped at that cross in the inlet that's not present on the 3300. A paper towel or rag would likely yield the same result.

- David

JPG

I am wondering if both bags were sealed tightly.

dusty

I found this video to be most informative BUT it does not depict how the dust collector bag or the filter hood react when the DC6000 is turned on. At least mine is different. I am attempting to upload a video to show how mine reacts.

DONE though crude! :o

I also plan to have a discussion with Shopsmith about how much differently mine fits together. I suspect that there has been a change to either the 4" coupler or to the Fan Housing. Mine does not fit at all like the one in Mike's video.

thedovetailjoint

When a DC3300 filter hood is new or freshly cleaned it doesn’t offer much resistance to the air, so it doesn’t inflate aggressively as it will when the hood gets a bit of a cake built. Totally normal behavior. Scott

Ed in Tampa

thedovetailjoint wrote When a DC3300 filter hood is new or freshly cleaned it doesn’t offer much resistance to the air, so it doesn’t inflate aggressively as it will when the hood gets a bit of a cake built. Totally normal behavior. Scott

Scott not to be contrary but on my DC3300 every time I turned it on the Dust hood popped up new hood or not and the plastic waste collection bag is blown up and held taunt. In this video neither the Dust hood or the plastic collection bag seem to inflate. There was either something wrong with the machine, or the video was shot with the dust collector off. I was left with the opinion that the 6000 upgrade actually degraded instead of enhancing the performance of the normal DC3000 as I have experienced it. Not a real good promotion video.

thedovetailjoint

Ed, I can't speak to the unit in the video, but I own three DC3300's and worked with dozens of them during my days at Shopsmith and I assure you, a clean or new hood will not be taunt. I'll happily demonstrate in a video.

DLB

thedovetailjoint wrote Ed, I can't speak to the unit in the video, but I own three DC3300's and worked with dozens of them during my days at Shopsmith and I assure you, a clean or new hood will not be taunt. I'll happily demonstrate in a video.

I'd watch your video. That's not the performance I'd expect, but I have zero experience with a new or clean 12" hood. (I did buy a new 42" hood though.) But, in his video, Mike did not use a new or clean hood, other than blowing it out a bit with a leaf blower. He explicitly said so around 11:25. I'd think the questions and comments here are valid and will remain so even after you demonstrate your point ("Totally normal behavior" for a new or clean hood). Maybe you could include a sample with the sort of light cleaning he did.(?)

- David

Ed in Tampa

thedovetailjoint wrote Ed, I can't speak to the unit in the video, but I own three DC3300's and worked with dozens of them during my days at Shopsmith and I assure you, a clean or new hood will not be taunt. I'll happily demonstrate in a video.

Well my DC3300 must be an exception, because when I turn it on with a clean hood, the hood pops up taunt and the plastic collection bag is very taunt. Look at that video again the plastic collection bag is not even taunt and that is where the motor/fan is blowing the air.

Again based on the demo video I would not buy the the DC6000 upgrade. If nothing else they should reshoot and fake it if they have too. I was expecting to see both the Hood and collection bag instantly inflated to max with the “so called increased performance”.

Sorry that is the way I see see it.

Ed in Tampa

Just to be sure I went back and watched the video again. When he turned it on I could hear the motor start but I saw no movement at all in either the dust hood or the plastic dust collection bag. I would almost be willing to say the only thing turning was the motor the fan I my opinion was either not installed or not turning. Bad bad bad promotional video to show the increased power of the DC6000.

Look at any other manufactures promotional video and they show things like dust hoods or collection bags getting fully inflated.

Again this video would never convince me to upgrade my DC3300!

algale

As I recall from the 6000 upgrade thread, unless you want to use 2 or more hoses at once, there's no reason to upgrade. The 6000 simply doesn't move more cfm through one hose.

thedovetailjoint

Ed in Tampa wrote Just to be sure I went back and watched the video again. When he turned it on I could hear the motor start but I saw no movement at all in either the dust hood or the plastic dust collection bag. I would almost be willing to say the only thing turning was the motor the fan I my opinion was either not installed or not turning. Bad bad bad promotional video to show the increased power of the DC6000.

Look at any other manufactures promotional video and they show things like dust hoods or collection bags getting fully inflated.

Again this video would never convince me to upgrade my DC3300!

Ed, I stand corrected. I just rewatched the video for the first time since seeing it when it came out, and there is no way that the motor was on when Mike filmed this. He may have recorded the audio and dubbed it into this clip, but that DC in the video was not running in the clip. Good catch and sorry for questioning your eyesight! Scott

RFGuy

DLB wrote
thedovetailjoint wrote Ed, I can't speak to the unit in the video, but I own three DC3300's and worked with dozens of them during my days at Shopsmith and I assure you, a clean or new hood will not be taunt. I'll happily demonstrate in a video.
I'd watch your video. That's not the performance I'd expect, but I have zero experience with a new or clean 12" hood. (I did buy a new 42" hood though.) But, in his video, Mike did not use a new or clean hood, other than blowing it out a bit with a leaf blower. He explicitly said so around 11:25. I'd think the questions and comments here are valid and will remain so even after you demonstrate your point ("Totally normal behavior" for a new or clean hood). Maybe you could include a sample with the sort of light cleaning he did.(?)

- David

Yeah, you have to watch that video closely and I know the first time through when I watched, I missed it as well, but I was only skimming the video. Scott does make a good point about filter cake, but I don't think he has seen the part of the video that is in question on this thread. Besides it is a 12" filter hood. Unless the DC-3300/6000 was a complete dog, it should be filling a 12" filter hood up like a balloon IMHO. Unless a DC-3300 is leaking like a sieve throughout, it should definitely blow up a measly 12" filter hood. I have the 42" filter hood on my DC-3300 now and it never has and never will fill that filter up, but that is because it just doesn't have the airflow needed. After seeing that video a 2nd time and seeing the feedback on this thread, I would never buy a DC-6000. I just don't think it has the performance that is claimed. Bottomline is it would need to fill a 42" filter hood, like a balloon, before I would even consider it. Competing products can do this.

DLB

algale wrote As I recall from the 6000 upgrade thread, unless you want to use 2 or more hoses at once, there's no reason to upgrade. The 6000 simply doesn't move more cfm through one hose.

That's my recollection as well, per SS Engineering (Jim). (He didn't use the phrase 'no reason to upgrade' though.)I don't recall seeing objective measurements to compare, I think the numbers were calculated rather than measured.

It sounded like Shopsmith sponsored this video. It seems to me that objective before and after measurements of airflow and sound level should have been included. And they should try again.

I'm not completely buying that this was dubbed and the DC unpowered. Or it was well done. (For what purpose?) At about 12:27, right after he asks 'Can you hear that?' he touches his shirt near his microphone. And I can hear that. More importantly, at 15:20 when he turns it on getting ready to demo it with the Jointer, I detect just enough movement of the collection bag that I know that there is some tiny bit of air movement. Not a reasonable amount, but not zero.

- David