What Model Mark V do you have?

[paul heller]

There are tangible differences between 500s and other Mark Vs but are there any real differences between a 505 and a 510 other than a floating table and tubes?

I feel the same way about my 510. It is really no different than anyone else's 520 except that I have equipped it with a new rail system and an additional extension table.

I agree. What do I have? I bought a 510, but I think it is now equivalent to a 520 because of the upgrade? Yet I consider it that I bought a 510.

My suggestion is to avoid the various sub models.

Paul

[JPG]

Dusty: Great improvement over your previous attempt. A few suggestions(not criticism). You have correctly(IMHO) reduced the mark (V) number of varieties to ONE. Why TWO categories of modified(mini/shorty)? Why crafters station WITHOUT power station(why not combined)? Finally where is mark (5)? Those who have them understand the difference and the older(magna etc.) ones would also be represented.
BTW ALL 5xx are the same except for the fence system(xx not = '00'). The 500 is essentially identical to the older mark 5's(quill and switch updates are exceptions).

[dusty]

Dusty: Great improvement over your previous attempt. A few suggestions(not criticism). You have correctly(IMHO) reduced the mark (V) number of varieties to ONE. Why TWO categories of modified(mini/shorty)? Why crafters station WITHOUT power station(why not combined)? Finally where is mark (5)? Those who have them understand the difference and the older(magna etc.) ones would also be represented.
BTW ALL 5xx are the same except for the fence system(xx not = '00'). The 500 is essentially identical to the older mark 5's(quill and switch updates are exceptions).

Remember, the poll is limited to 10 items so to add these I had to delete or combine others.

The Shopsmith Mark V owners have already been polled so I lumped them. I would leave them itemized if the poll allowed more categories.

I broke out the mini/shorty because they are different (same logic as 510/520).

The Crafter's Station is a Power Station with a Table Saw attachment.

You ask - Where is the Mark 5. Isn't it the first item on the list (Mark V)? I have always thought the Mark V was all inclusive of 500,505,510, 520, 530.

If I'm wrong or for other reasons the list needs to be altered, say so. I'll post in a day or two.

[JPG]

It was BECAUSE of the 10 item limit that I was making suggestions.
Due to similarity of the power station to the crafters station it seems to me logical to INCLUDE it With the crafters station rather than exclude the power station entirely; especially since there are more PS than CS and the CS is OUT of production. I did NOT mean to include it as an ADDITIONAL item.

I did NOT realize you intended this NEW poll to be an ADDITION to the first one. What you say in regard to mk5/V/500/510/520/mini/shorty makes sense IF respondents to the NEW poll ALSO respond(ed) to the first one!

You might consider directing new respondents to the first poll (somehow???).

[dusty]

It was BECAUSE of the 10 item limit that I was making suggestions.
Due to similarity of the power station to the crafters station it seems to me logical to INCLUDE it With the crafters station rather than exclude the power station entirely]I did NOT realize you intended this NEW poll to be an ADDITION to the first one. What you say in regard to mk5/V/500/510/520/mini/shorty makes sense IF respondents to the NEW poll ALSO respond(ed) to the first one! [/B]

You might consider directing new respondents to the first poll (somehow???).

The results from this poll cannot be altered. They are what they are. The poll answers the question - What Model Mark V do you have?

It seems, from the feedback, that this wasn't the most important question.

Maybe there never was just one question; maybe it should have been two or three questions. What Special Purpose Tools (SPT) do you have? and What is the Anchor Tool in your shop?

As for directing respondents to the original poll...I am not at all sure what you mean. The poll and the results are there for whoever may chose to read them. The poll cannot be altered and it closes tomorrow at about 9:00am. It is what it is. It could have been done differently but it wasn't.

I feel that it answered an interesting question while revealing that there are many of the older machines that are still fully functional. I was sort of surprised by the numbers. My only disappointment was that it didn't provoke a response from about 2000 other members who read the forum but hardly ever respond (the guests). I suspect that responses from these folks would turn the statistics completely upside down showing that there are far more 500s out there than this poll indicates.

[JPG]

Sorry! I forgot the time limit to the original poll.
Your last comment may indicate that more recent purchasers are the individuals participating in this forum????
As for the 'non-responders', I think they are the same individuals who for whatever reason choose to only observe and not post. We are ALL less fortunate for their choice. P.S. I just reread your previous post - guests could not have posted anyway/thus your lament?
In any event a second poll would be interesting - the first was!

[dusty]

Sorry! I forgot the time limit to the original poll.
Your last comment may indicate that more recent purchasers are the individuals participating in this forum????
As for the 'non-responders', I think they are the same individuals who for whatever reason choose to only observe and not post. We are ALL less fortunate for their choice.
In any event a second poll would be interesting - the first was!

The active participates in this forum are an ever growing representation of users both new and old (themselves and their machines). I feel that the poll results constitute a fair summary of this group. At this moment there has been 110 respondents and amongst these I see about 30 that I do not recognize as frequent visitors. A quick, non-scientific check of those 30 reveals users of all age groups and members both new and old. It also includes folks who have not shared personal statistics; this is normal on all public polls.

[JPG]

Perhaps the 30 felt 'safe' in responding to a simple question which required NO level of 'expertise' on their part.
I too wish the 'sample size' was larger but also think the results are fairly accurate. I noticed the percentages ROUGHLY tracked the number of years in production of each variant. Do NOT know volumes for each year, but did find that interesting. I did think the 63-84 group was low. This is the magna down/out of production/ss inc startup period and perhaps the number produced/year WAS less(I allowed for period it WAS out of production). The 63-84 period was out of production for 5 of 21 yrs.

[dusty]

Perhaps the 30 felt 'safe' in responding to a simple question which required NO level of 'expertise' on their part.
I too wish the 'sample size' was larger but also think the results are fairly accurate. I noticed the percentages ROUGHLY tracked the number of years in production of each variant. Do NOT know volumes for each year, but did find that interesting. I did think the 63-84 group was low. This is the magna down/out of production/ss inc startup period and perhaps the number produced/year WAS less(I allowed for period it WAS out of production). The 63-84 period was out of production for 5 of 21 yrs.

Your observations are interesting. I went back to the summary and find another interesting fact in the numbers.

From 1953 to 1984 there was 26 production years and the respondents with machines from that era total 61.

From 1984 to present that was 25 production years and the respondents with machines from that era total 69.

Because the sample size is so small, statistical analysis is inappropriate however a generalization can be made. Year for year, there are as many older machines as there are new. The oldies are holding their own. This certainly says something that I believe we have all intuitively have known. A high level of quality and reliability has been built into these machines.

I am proud to be an owner.

[JPG]

I had not noticed the 1984 split. Quite interesting! I think we should give SS credit for making it possible to retain functioning 'oldies' by supporting with replacement parts(as well as minimal design changes over the years which makes that support possible). . . . If it Ain't broke, Don't fix it!:D

The tables/fence system NEEDED fixing(2x)!;)