Share your Magna memorabilia!
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Re: Share your Magna memorabilia!
I have seen them on eBay a few times. Not common at all.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
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I’m curious whether Magna intended this to be a double sided sanding disc, or whether the slight conical shape is instead intended to provide rigidity on a non-abrasive side of the disc. Is it aluminum? The lack of sandpaper cut for conical use in their accessories catalog may indicate it was intended only for use on the flat side.chapmanruss wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:25 pm I have a 10" double-sided Sanding Disk which is shown below.
John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
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"Modern Power Tool Woodworking" (Mark VII PTWFE) does not mention attaching paper to the backside of the 10 " aluminum disc.
It does however describe tilting the table to be square with the tapered backside(1 1/2°) and using the fence, it alleges the ability to sand to width with square edges.
I say alleged since I do not see that as working. I see that as creating an out of square edge by 1 1/2°. That creates an error of about 0.020" over 3/4".
Likely that was then considered "close enough".
I can attest to the success of attaching a 10" sanding disc to the tapered back side. However correctly creating the hole and slot that allows the disc to become a cone shape is critical.
It was not until today that I realized that was not the original intention back then.
BUT, It does work if you do not mind cutting 10" abrasive discs that are peel and stick!
It does however describe tilting the table to be square with the tapered backside(1 1/2°) and using the fence, it alleges the ability to sand to width with square edges.
I say alleged since I do not see that as working. I see that as creating an out of square edge by 1 1/2°. That creates an error of about 0.020" over 3/4".
Likely that was then considered "close enough".
I can attest to the success of attaching a 10" sanding disc to the tapered back side. However correctly creating the hole and slot that allows the disc to become a cone shape is critical.
It was not until today that I realized that was not the original intention back then.
BUT, It does work if you do not mind cutting 10" abrasive discs that are peel and stick!
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On page 41 of the Mark VII manual Everett restored begins the Disk Sanding section. It begins with the following,
Backing up to page 8 under STANDARD ATTACHMENTS I refer to item 15,
Further down the page it goes on to say,10" Double Faced Sanding Disc - One side conical, other side flat. Affords 78 square inches of sanding area. Attached directly to main or upper auxiliary spindle.
Now why did it take so long to have a Lower Blade Guard large enough to have dust collection for the Mark V? Of course, I refer to the 1985 introduction of the Mark V 510/505 which the Lower Blade Guard which can be used with the 12" Steel Sanding Disk. This is the reason the 12" Steel Sanding Disk needed a longer Hub.MOUNTING
The SHOPSMITH 10" disc can be used on either the main spindle or the upper auxiliary spindle. On the main spindle it can be flat face out or with coned face (hub side) out. Either way around it may be used with the accessory lower saw guard in place for dust collection. On the auxiliary spindle the disc can be mounted only with the flat face out.
Backing up to page 8 under STANDARD ATTACHMENTS I refer to item 15,
(15) - Sanding disc - Double sided 10" sanding disc; one side flat and one side tapered for greatest versatility. Attaches to
spindle---balanced for vibration-free operation.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Model 10E Preliminary Owner’s Manual from S/N 7127
. This is a well used manual for sure! The cover sheet is a little rough as a result, but overall pretty good for something 75+ years old that spent its time in a craftsman’s workshop.
Something that is unique about it is this…
. A 24th page that contains the master parts list! Given that these were held together with a couple of staples, it’s understandable that the last page could have been ripped off the back of Mr. Burger’s much cleaner copy of this document without it being noticed.
One more important detail that I’ve been able to determine from this document is its provenance. This was included with the purchase of Serial Number 7127 - far later than one of the original 250-unit order with which it has been assumed these preliminary manuals were exclusively shipped. Also I was able to see the name of the original owner (from one of the other system documents), who I assume acquired this in Indiana, where he lived at the time.
I also know where he bought it!
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Very pleased to have been able to add something rare (but apparently no longer unique) to my collection this week.
. This is a well used manual for sure! The cover sheet is a little rough as a result, but overall pretty good for something 75+ years old that spent its time in a craftsman’s workshop.
Something that is unique about it is this…
. A 24th page that contains the master parts list! Given that these were held together with a couple of staples, it’s understandable that the last page could have been ripped off the back of Mr. Burger’s much cleaner copy of this document without it being noticed.
One more important detail that I’ve been able to determine from this document is its provenance. This was included with the purchase of Serial Number 7127 - far later than one of the original 250-unit order with which it has been assumed these preliminary manuals were exclusively shipped. Also I was able to see the name of the original owner (from one of the other system documents), who I assume acquired this in Indiana, where he lived at the time.
I also know where he bought it!
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John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
- chapmanruss
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John,
You said,
You said,
I would guess Montgomery Wards or at least he looked for accessories there.I also know where he bought it!
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Re: Share your Magna memorabilia!
I’ve seen this same set of accessories documents without the Montgomery Ward branding. They came with my Model 10-E S/N E5052 (see below), which I know was purchased at an independent retailer. So I suspect these 5 sheets were part of the early document pack included with any system purchase, and at least indicate whether or not the machine was sold by MW.chapmanruss wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:04 pm I would guess Montgomery Wards or at least he looked for accessories there.
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John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
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A Mark 2, or a Mark 5?? Decisions, decisions…
Here’s a late 50’s Montgomery Ward fold out brochure that features both the main 5-in-1 tools in their portfolio: the Mark 5 and the Mark 2. Interesting to see how they positioned each respective machine. That extra $100 to spring for the better Mark 5 system over the Mark 2 was a big decision at that time, I imagine.
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Here’s a late 50’s Montgomery Ward fold out brochure that features both the main 5-in-1 tools in their portfolio: the Mark 5 and the Mark 2. Interesting to see how they positioned each respective machine. That extra $100 to spring for the better Mark 5 system over the Mark 2 was a big decision at that time, I imagine.
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John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Massachusetts
*****************************************
1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
- chapmanruss
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It is interesting to note that the Mark 5 is the tool showing the 5 functions. Lower cost is likely the driving factor for those choosing the Mark 2 over the Mark 5.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
- JPG
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I believe the chart was intended to apply to both models.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange