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Which Lathe upgrade?

jcrusso

I have a Mark V that I primarily use as a lathe. Most of my turnings are bowls, but I do pens and other spindly things occasionally as well. Looking at the two upgrades I'm interested in - the speed reducer and universal tool rest - I'm not sure what would be the biggest improvement. For bigger bowls and finishing the slower speeds would be great, but the stock tool rest is also a pain to use sometimes.

Does anyone here have opinions on either of those upgrades?

chapmanruss

jcrusso,

Welcome to the Shopsmith Forum.

Both are good upgrades for Lathe Turning especially for larger items like bowl turning.

The Speed Reducer does just as it says, slows it down to as low as 100 RPMs, a 7 to 1 reduction. That is something desirable with bowl and large turnings. It is a Shopsmith accessory I do not have since I upgraded to a Mark 7 (goes down to 250 RPMs) before getting one. It's not limited to just turning but can be used with larger Drill Bits, think Forsner, which slows them down to avoid burning. The Conventional Mark V Headstock runs between 700 and 5200 RPMs.

The Universal Tool Rest (which I do have) does two things, it gives a better reach and adds weigh to your Shopsmith. The extra weight is a plus when starting with uneven stock.

It sounds like your budget will allow only one currently so you would have to decide which one would be more beneficial right now. The Speed Reducer is $499 while the Universal Lathe Tool Rest is $319. I purchased my Universal Lathe Tool Rest when it was on sale as the package ($389 list) which includes the three specialty tool rests. If you can wait for a sale, you can save some of the cost over the regular price. Sign up for email & promotions under the LEARNING heading to get sale information sent to you.

edma194

chapmanruss wrote It's not limited to just turning but can be used with larger Drill Bits, think Forsner, which slows them down to avoid burning. The Conventional Mark V Headstock runs between 700 and 5200 RPMs.

Scott Markwood from My Growth Rings pointed out that the speed reducer doesn't work great for drilling because it's supposed to be locked down on the way tubes with a bracket assembly and then the quill can't be extended. That wouldn't affect using it in lathe mode.

chapmanruss

Ed,

You are correct about it being locked down to the Way Tubes but for drilling the lock could be released and help keep it in line. I know, it's not ideal, just another possible use for the Speed Reducer.

Areba21

You know, I'm leaning towards the speed reducer too. It just seems like it would make life a whole lot easier when dealing with those bigger bowls. Messing with your workflow is no joke. Tough decision, but if I had to pick, I'd say go for the speed reducer first.

edma194

Areba21 wrote You know, I'm leaning towards the speed reducer too. It just seems like it would make life a whole lot easier when dealing with those bigger bowls. Messing with your workflow is no joke. Tough decision, but if I had to pick, I'd say go for the speed reducer first.

Costs a lot less than a PowerPro upgrade.

chapmanruss wrote You are correct about it being locked down to the Way Tubes but for drilling the lock could be released and help keep it in line. I know, it's not ideal, just another possible use for the Speed Reducer.

Russ, I think it's possible to use simple sliding linear bearings to allow the bracket to slide while keep it firmly attached to the way tubes. More expensive linear ball bearings would be even better, but for 1-3/4" diameter tubes they would be very expensive. I really want to try this with some UMHW plastic I already have V slots cut in. Just have to get one of those 'Round Tuits'.

BuckeyeDennis

I have both, and have turned a few large bowl with them. Here’s a pic of a medium-sized applewood bowl with both accessories in action.

If I had to choose between the two, I’d defintely choose the speed reducer. The UTR is nice, but a large unbalanced blank spinning at 700 RPM on a lightweight machine is downright dangerous. And even if it weren't, it would still try to walk the whole darn machine to the other side of your woodshop.

I also use the speed reducer for large Forstner bits. It clamps tightly to the quill, so loosening the way-tube clamp for drilling really isn’t a problem, as the load is almost purely axial. And the bracket still slides along the way tubes, providing an additional measure of support.

When space and budget permit permit, however, my next Shopsmith lathe upgrade will be an 800 lb. bowl lathe! 😃

Bowl in extenders 2 LowRes.JPG

thedovetailjoint

edma194 wrote Scott Markwood from My Growth Rings pointed out that the speed reducer doesn't work great for drilling because it's supposed to be locked down on the way tubes with a bracket assembly and then the quill can't be extended. That wouldn't affect using it in lathe mode.

Ed, it may have been MY speed reducer, or "jack shaft" that I was talking about. The SS Speed Reducer can be used for drilling and actually does a fine job.

Scott

edma194

thedovetailjoint wrote Ed, it may have been MY speed reducer, or "jack shaft" that I was talking about. The SS Speed Reducer can be used for drilling and actually does a fine job.

Scott

My recollection is that you pointed out that the speed reducer bracket had to be loosened for drill press operation which could allow vibration to affect the cut. The way I wrote that post made it sound like the speed reducer doesn't allow the quill to be extended at all which has caused confusion. Sorry I didn't make that more clear, or if I still don't it right.

Anyway, I don't think it would take much to allow the bracket to stay tight enough on the way tubes and slide without scratching them or allowing vibration. So far, I haven't had the need to use the speed reducer that way since the PowerPro has been slow enough.

edma194

edma194 wrote
thedovetailjoint wrote Ed, it may have been MY speed reducer, or "jack shaft" that I was talking about. The SS Speed Reducer can be used for drilling and actually does a fine job.

Scott
My recollection is that you pointed out that the speed reducer bracket had to be loosened for drill press operation which could allow vibration to affect the cut. The way I wrote that post made it sound like the speed reducer doesn't allow the quill to be extended at all which has caused confusion. Sorry I didn't make that more clear, or if I still don't have it right.

Anyway, I don't think it would take much to allow the bracket to stay tight enough on the way tubes and slide without scratching them or allowing vibration. So far, I haven't had the need to use the speed reducer that way since the PowerPro has been slow enough.

jcrusso

chapmanruss wrote If you can wait for a sale, you can save some of the cost over the regular price. Sign up for email & promotions under the LEARNING heading to get sale information sent to you.

Well, I took your advice and signed up. And now it seems my arm is being bent, because I just got the email that it's on sale...

jsburger

edma194 wrote
chapmanruss wrote It's not limited to just turning but can be used with larger Drill Bits, think Forsner, which slows them down to avoid burning. The Conventional Mark V Headstock runs between 700 and 5200 RPMs.
Scott Markwood from My Growth Rings pointed out that the speed reducer doesn't work great for drilling because it's supposed to be locked down on the way tubes with a bracket assembly and then the quill can't be extended. That wouldn't affect using it in lathe mode.

FWIW, the email add I got today features the Speed Reducer and shows it used for drilling.

chapmanruss

At $50 off this is probably the best deal you will find on the Speed Reducer from Shopsmith.

edma194

jsburger wrote FWIW, the email add I got today features the Speed Reducer and shows it used for drilling.

I'm sure it can be used for drilling. I haven't needed it for that because I have a PowerPro on my drill press. And because I have a PowerPro on my 510 also the only thing I may ever use it for is to run a ball mill at 35RPM or whatever that will turn out to be. So all I was doing was relating the information I had received, and maybe even didn't understand correctly.

gkillebrew

I have a Shopsmith MarkV Model 500 1982. I inherited this from my father. I am missing the lathe tool rest and assorted pieces. What tool rest would be compatible with this model? I have also have a couple of other questions.

1. What is the difference between the two?

* Nova G3 Lathe chuck package #556212

•Nova Pro Tek Lathe chuck kit #556221

2. What is the difference between the Lathe cup center # 505716 and the live center #505602?

Thank you.

chapmanruss

gkillebrew,

Welcome to the Shopsmith Forum.

Below is a picture of a Lathe Tool Rest Assembly from a Mark V made in March 1982. This is from the original Table System later refered to as the Mark V 500.

They have the "threaded" Post and a shorter Arm than the other Mark V models 510/505, 520, Mark 7 & Mark 4. The 8" Tool Rest itself is the same for all Lathe Tool Rest Assemblies.

I don't have the Nova Pro Tek Lathe chuck kit #556221 so I cannot tell you the difference between the two. Someone else may provide that information.

As for the difference between the Lathe Cup Center P/N 505716 and the Live Center P/N 505602 the first is also known as a "Dead" Center. It has a fixed cup with a point while the Live Center has a cup mounted to a bearing allowing the cup & point to turn with the item being driven by the lathe. The Live Center reduces the chance of "burning" the end of the item being turned since a free turning Live Center does not create the friction a regular Lathe Cup (dead) Center does. The first picture below is a Lathe Cup Center followed by a Lathe Live Center.

Let us know if you have any additional questions.

Lathe Tool Rest 03-82.jpg

505716 w-tube.jpg

505602 with box Magna Am.jpg

emmayashri

It depends on your specific need and preference. If you primarily turn bowls and require slower speeds for larger projects and finishing, the speed reducer upgrade would likely be the biggest improvement for you. However, if you find the stock tool rest inconvenient and struggle with its usability, then the universal tool rest upgrade could greatly increase your overall turning experience.