1984 Mark V - missing drill chuck, & some Lathe parts. Impossible to buy parts in Canada

[QubikFurniture]

Hello,

I'm new to the forum, so I apologize if this topic belongs elsewhere.

Like many, I inherited a Mark V from my uncle. It seems to be in great condition, but I have yet to start it or anything. I have identified it with its serial number as a Mark V 500 from 1984. Right off the bat, I know that there are many pieces and parts missing. My uncle had it in a dry location, well stored, had it looked at and inspected when he brought it over to his house, and all was good. However, this was 15 years ago, and hasn't run since. Hence the hesitation to even try and plug it in. I'm no machinist by any means, but I can figure it out with the right documents and guides.

I wanted to use this primarily as a lathe, and is the reason why I brought it into my garage. I should have inspected it further and done more research, but was too excited to get my hands on it, that I didn't realize it might be more of a headache than anything. Currently it's set up as a table saw, but I'll remove it...I have ZERO intention of using it since I have a table saw already, and I want to keep all of my fingers! so it's useless to me.

My biggest issue right now is that I'm missing some of even the most basic necessities to run this machine, and it's impossible for me to order them from shopsmith's site because they don't ship to Canada or even allow me to purchase. My only other option is e-bay or buying another Mark V which is out of the question, and even at that I find no viable options. I was able to find a few things on amazon, but I need to know exactly what I'm missing but I'll start with what seems obvious to me:

1. I'm missing the drill chuck: Ideally if anyone has any suggestions on what to buy exactly here so that I can at least try and get the machine running to use it as a drill press while I have it laying in my garage anyway. I'm looking for a chuck that will work on the Mark V, and seems like I can purchase this easily, I just don't know what to buy, and what's missing

2. I wanted to use this as a Lathe, and intend to one day make that a possibility, but I'm missing essential pieces: I have the Tailstock and the lathe toolrest, but my Tailstock is missing the "Adjustable Center" which, without it, the whole thing is useless, and I can't find this piece anywhere, apart from on Shopsmith's site: https://www.shopsmith.com/product-page/ ... tric-mount however because I'm in Canada I can't buy it.

I'm also missing the Lathe Cup Center, Faceplates, Tailstock Live Center as far as I'm concerned, and I don't know if there is anything else missing??

3. My Mark V 500 is a 1984 model. The only manuals available are for the Mark V 520S or a 1954 manual of the Mark V 500: I assume that not much has changed, so I was hoping that I could use the manual for the 520S for all that concerns maintenance, repair, cleaning, assembly of some of the parts, waxing etc.. The 1954 manuals are, well, from 1954 and I'd assume that 30 years later in 1984, there would have been a re-print down the line, so not sure what to base myself on. Can someone please confirm.

I want to at least run the machine, and diagnose it, clean it, wax it etc.. But I want to know which guide / manual I should look at. and I want to at least get this running as a drill press.

This may sound crazy, but I do have a 3D printer, so if there are any parts or accessories that could be 3D printed, and someone knows any resources, please share.

I have attached images of my Mark V in its current state below. THANK YOU so much for your help in advance!

Stefano

[edma194]

1. I'm missing the drill chuck: Ideally if anyone has any suggestions on what to buy exactly here so that I can at least try and get the machine running to use it as a drill press while I have it laying in my garage anyway. I'm looking for a chuck that will work on the Mark V, and seems like I can purchase this easily, I just don't know what to buy, and what's missing.

2. I wanted to use this as a Lathe, and intend to one day make that a possibility, but I'm missing essential pieces: I have the Tailstock and the lathe toolrest, but my Tailstock is missing the "Adjustable Center" which, without it, the whole thing is useless, and I can't find this piece anywhere, apart from on Shopsmith's site: https://www.shopsmith.com/product-page/ ... tric-mount however because I'm in Canada I can't buy it.

I'm also missing the Lathe Cup Center, Faceplates, Tailstock Live Center as far as I'm concerned, and I don't know if there is anything else missing??

The Mark V has a 5/8" spindle with a flat for a setscrew. Any kind of tool with like a drill chuck with a 5/8" hole and setscrew can be used. Lathe chucks usually have threaded mounts and adapters for a 5/8" spindle are available. Same for any of the lathe drive centers. Any tail centers with a Morse 2 taper will mount in the tail stock.

PM me your address and I will send you a tailstock 'Adjustable Center' for the cost of postage. (As a new member you may not be able to PM yet, not sure how that works.)

3. My Mark V 500 is a 1984 model. The only manuals available are for the Mark V 520S or a 1954 manual of the Mark V 500: I assume that not much has changed, so I was hoping that I could use the manual for the 520S for all that concerns maintenance, repair, cleaning, assembly of some of the parts, waxing etc.. The 1954 manuals are, well, from 1954 and I'd assume that 30 years later in 1984, there would have been a re-print down the line, so not sure what to base myself on. Can someone please confirm.

For general usage of your machine start by downloading Power Tool Woodworking for Everyone from the Shopsmith website: https://www.shopsmith.com/_files/ugd/d5 ... ed7ed7.pdf

[br549]

Welcome, and rest assured, the very knowledgeable folks here will help guide you thru the many aspects of Shopsmith ownership.

First, ebay will become your best friend. There you will find many of the parts you are missing, in all stages of condition, so shop wisely.

Your machine has a couple of items that were not "standard" (or at least weren't on my 1980 version), such as the improved upper saw guard and wider extension table. Attached is a page from the Owner's Manual that came with my machine, showing all of the "standard" attachments. This may be helpful in learning the nomenclature as you look for used or NOS parts.

Check out the Shopsmith.com website for more free catalogs and manuals that can be downloaded. With the recently updated website, there may be some that heretofore were not available ... I was not aware of the PTWFE for which Ed provided a direct link.

One of the many "sticky" posts at the top of this forum is a thread entitled Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More by Everett Davis. In addition to resources directly within that thread, check out his Google Drive for more documents on all things Shopsmith. And the Buying a used Shopsmith v2.pdf guide will provide a good overview of the machines.

[chapmanruss]

Stefano,

Welcome to the Shopsmith Forum.

As has been said eBay will become your best friend since, unfortunately, you cannot buy parts directly from Shopsmith. There is an eBay seller in Canada who often has Shopsmith parts and accessories for sale. I have even purchased from that seller.

According to the serial number your Mark V was made in October 1984. The wider Extension Table is an upgrade. The main difference between the models of the Mark V are the Table/Carriage/Fence System they have. Yours is the original Table System and in 1985 it became the Model 500 with the introduction of the Mark V 510 & 505 with the larger Table System. The Mark V 520S is different than the earlier Mark V 520 having Double Tilt Bench Ends. So why is this important for you? Any Mark V manual except the 520S will be the same for the Headstock and Bench instructions and maintenance. Manuals for the other Mark series like the Mark 2, Mark 4, 1960 Mark VII or current Mark 7 will not be helpful due to their respective differences. You can use the Service Parts diagrams to help you with what makes up a Mark V 500. br549 also mentioned the thread titled Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More by Everett Davis. On his google drive is a section on Adjustments. There find the PDF titled Help Kit Manual alignment etc. That will guide you through Aligning your Mark V and recommended maintenance. Since your Mark V has been idle for some time, I would recommend doubling the recommended drops of lightweight oil in the Motor and Idler Shaft Pulley Sheaves.

In looking at your pictures I noticed the Lock for the Table Raiser Crank on the Carriage is missing. You can see one in the picture below on the left side.

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Without the lock you cannot keep the Table at the set height and it is needed for the Lathe Tool Rest Assembly too.

Unlike most Lathes the Shopsmith uses a Drive that goes on the 5/8" Reverse Tapered Spindle of the Quill. A set Screw locks it in place. Below are the Lathe Drive Centers from over the years. The one on the right is the current one. They really haven't changed much since 1947 which is the one on the left.

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The Tailstock accepts #2 Moorse Taper Tail Accessories like the Live Center.

As for a Drill Chuck any of the one made for the Shopsmith tools over the years will work. Below is a picture of all but the Keyless Chuck made for the Shopsmith tools over the years. The Jacobs 3326 Drill Chuck from the late 1940's through the 1950's which are the middle three on the bottom row are a popular choice. Your Mark V likely came with the Cushman Chuck which is the one on the lower right.

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Let us know if you have additional questions. We are happy to help.

[QubikFurniture]

Wow! What an amazing place this is! You guys are awesome!!

First and foremost I'm going to try and get the machine running for the first time, so all the guides and manuals you have shared are of great value to me. That will determine how far I go into this restoration. As I'm starting and running a one-man-show business, I plan to make this my little side project. A lot of good information was shared, so I will break down my comments to each one of you starting with the first post:

@edma194:

Thank you for clarifying on the chuck. I just didn't know where to look for that information, and wasn't sure if I could use an aftermarket piece. I did actually find a 5/8" spindle adapter on amazon when I was trying to extrapolate what I needed, so that's very helpful to know. I'm actually purchasing a dedicated lathe that has MT2 spindle and tailstock, so that should work if needed.

As for the PM, it came through, I'll respond to it after I finish this message. If it's possible to get an adjustable center sent over to me I would be eternally grateful, and am willing to at least pay what's fair for the part along with postage. I'd just like to get my machine running first so I know I'm not diving into more problems.

@br549:

Very interesting to know my Mark V had non standard add-ons, and here I was thinking it was missing a whole lot of things! Thanks for sharing the parts list with the correct nomenclature, it's going to be really helpful for me to break down what is needed, and make it easier to find.

I had come across the large format drawings google drive, but I was looking into an endless pit, and wasn't sure what I should be looking at, with everyone's contribution up to now I already feel much more knowledgeable to have the confidence to know what I need in there!

@chapmanruss:

First off, thank you for breaking everything down so concisely, and sharing the detailed pictures!

Would you happen to have the Canadian seller's ebay profile handy? If not, it's really not an issue, I can try to find it. I have never actually purchased on ebay, so having a reference is already much more comfortable!

Trying to figure out what manual would be of use to me was a huge first step in getting this machine running. Thank you for going in depth and explaining all of that. I believe the only available operators manual available for download is the 520s manual unfortunately, and all other manuals, particularly for what I have are "buy only", which I can't do, but also, personally I think should be made available considering they still make new pieces that work on old machines.

The table raiser crank lock is in fact missing! As I was moving it around my garage, I noticed that the handle wasn't secure, and figured I could just replace it with a standard bolt or thumbscrew situation. I'm thinking that if all is needed is some type of thumbscrew or whatnot to be able to lock and unlock, I could fix it to be functional. I also have a 3D printer, so I could "machine" a part what captures the necessary bolt in its housing. What do you think about those ideas as potential solutions? My goal is to make my mark v functional.



Many Thanks again to all of you!!

[chapmanruss]

Stefano,

Below is a link to the Canadian seller inxsss I commented about. I don't know how long the link will work. The pictures of his items for sale have a blue background. The only Carriage part currently listed for him is the entire Carriage for the Mark V 510/505, 520, 520S, Mark 7 and Mark 4. It is different than the Carriage for the original Mark 5/V Table System AKA Mark V 500.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=30 ... ssn=inxsss

Something to know is many eBay sellers will ship outside the US so don't limit yourself to only Canadian sellers. Just check the shipping information/limitations of the seller. If you find something you need/want, contact the seller about shipping to you.

The MARK V 500 Table Height Lock Handle (part number 5042629) is really just a big fancy wing nut with a washer behind it. I noticed the washer is not there either. Temporally a plain nut of the correct thread size and a washer will work but you'll have to have a wrench handy to snug it up to lock the Table height. Do NOT overtighten it. I don't recall the thread size, but it is not a metric size.

I don't understand why only the 520S Manual is available for download and not others. The Headstock will be essentially the same for your Mark V and the 520S. The only difference is your Headstock is the "B" Headstock casting and the 520S has the "C" Headstock. The switch type and location are the difference. You could use the 520S Manual for Headstock information, maintenance and basic functions but knowing there are differences in Table use and setup for example.

[QubikFurniture]

Thank you Russ, I appreciate it.

There's quite a few pieces just through that one seller. That's such a great help. I agree I won't limit myself, but this already makes it much easier to figure out.

That's pretty much what I thought about the lock for the handle. Thanks for confirming. Ideally I would like to have original parts, but I'm also happy to save where I can in order to make this machine functional.