Head stock sticking on way tubes
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kas20amc02
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Head stock sticking on way tubes
Hi guys. My head stock does not slide smoothly. This is an inherited machine (circa 1993) and hadn’t been used for 10 years when I got it. At that time, it wouldn’t move at all. After waxing the tubes (and table) with Trewax, it moves with difficulty. This wasn’t a big deal until I got a bandsaw and it now needs to move far left for the bandsaw and far right for the drill press. I’m a decent sized guy and easily lift it from the middle with my off hand to drill press mode so it isn’t from lack of effort.
Any tips?
Thanks!
Karl
Any tips?
Thanks!
Karl
Total rookie - advice welcome
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
- chapmanruss
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Karl,
A couple things come to mind. The locks could be sticking a bit and not fully releasing the pressure. Turn to unlock them all the way and see if the lock wedges are moving out then back in when turning to lock in the Headstock Casting. When turned all the way to unlock the wedges should protrude slightly as seen in the picture below of the back side of the Headstock Casting. The front wedge will come out behind the lock handle. They could be mis-aligned causing a problem.
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The other cause would be the rotation of the Way Tubes. There can be a very slight bow in the Way Tubes causing them to be further apart over the length of the tubes. Rotating the Way Tubes to get the Headstock and Carriage sliding smoothly will correct that cause.
A couple things come to mind. The locks could be sticking a bit and not fully releasing the pressure. Turn to unlock them all the way and see if the lock wedges are moving out then back in when turning to lock in the Headstock Casting. When turned all the way to unlock the wedges should protrude slightly as seen in the picture below of the back side of the Headstock Casting. The front wedge will come out behind the lock handle. They could be mis-aligned causing a problem.
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The other cause would be the rotation of the Way Tubes. There can be a very slight bow in the Way Tubes causing them to be further apart over the length of the tubes. Rotating the Way Tubes to get the Headstock and Carriage sliding smoothly will correct that cause.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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kas20amc02
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Thanks. I will try that.
The table moves without difficulty so I think it may be the locks that you described.
The table moves without difficulty so I think it may be the locks that you described.
Total rookie - advice welcome
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
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Real1shepperd
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
It's all about friction and corrosion. In hindsight, I should have taken my 10ER down to the headstock and waxed inside the headstock. When I restored the speed changer and put it on, the increased friction from the parts slowed headstock movement a bit. Minwax is your friend.....use it a lot until things slide easily. It even helps the wood feed on top of your table.
Kevin
Kevin
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kas20amc02
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Months later, this is still a pain. I mostly use my SS for the bandsaw and drill press so I’m always moving the headstock. The lock does come out of the headstock when fully disengaged and even rattles a little if I wiggle the knob but the headstock is extremely hard to move. As in I put my entire 240 pounds into it and sometimes move the entire frame.
Any advice on how to remedy this?
Any advice on how to remedy this?
Total rookie - advice welcome
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
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kas20amc02
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Months later, this is still a pain. I mostly use my SS for the bandsaw and drill press so I’m always moving the headstock. The lock does come out of the headstock when fully disengaged and even rattles a little if I wiggle the knob but the headstock is extremely hard to move. As in I put my entire 240 pounds into it and sometimes move the entire frame.
Any advice on how to remedy this?
Any advice on how to remedy this?
Total rookie - advice welcome
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
Inherited Shop Smith 510
Sawstop cabinet saw with built in router table
Delta 1/3 HP combo belt/disc sander
10" folding Craftsman miter saw
Grizzly G0803Z 9" band saw
Bosch 2.25 HP router + Dewalt Trim Router
Dewalt orbital sander + Ryobi mouse sander
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larryhrockisland
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Maybe this video from Today’s Shopsmith with Michael Young will help.
https://youtu.be/xI7tD5WXTlw?is=AQY-HKa3AfLR0H-9
https://youtu.be/xI7tD5WXTlw?is=AQY-HKa3AfLR0H-9
Larry Hargrove
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
Craftsman table saw, Delta 46-460 Midi lathe
SS 6” Belt Sander w/power stand 1970’s?
Rock Island, Ok
1981 Mark V 500>510>520(98922)
19?? Mark V 500>Power Pro headstock 556176 06-17-11 factory exchange program original serial unknown
1957 Mark V 500 (350389)
1953 10ER
Another 10ER
Bandsaw 2012 Jointer 2012
Bandsaw, Jointer, other goodies
Craftsman table saw, Delta 46-460 Midi lathe
SS 6” Belt Sander w/power stand 1970’s?
- chapmanruss
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Re: Head stock sticking on way tubes
Karl,
Since you are getting the locks fully disengaged by your description DO check out the Mike Young You Tube video Larry provided the link to. That could very well solve the problem you are having.
For anyone else having trouble moving the Headstock and/or the Carriage on the Way Tubes this is the next step after cleaning, waxing and checking the Locks. For the Locks see my previous post earlier in this Topic.
Since you are getting the locks fully disengaged by your description DO check out the Mike Young You Tube video Larry provided the link to. That could very well solve the problem you are having.
For anyone else having trouble moving the Headstock and/or the Carriage on the Way Tubes this is the next step after cleaning, waxing and checking the Locks. For the Locks see my previous post earlier in this Topic.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.