Restoring old 10ER?

patm1313 · Post by **patm1313** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:24 pm

I'm going to restore an old 10ER. Where can I find some free online info to help me get this done?

Also, is the finish worth restoring? I have a sandblaster to aide me. And should I replace the old chuck for a new one? If so, where can I get a chuck that fits it?

And lastly, what sort of mandels for pen making fit the 10ER?

patm1313 · Post by **patm1313** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:25 pm

Also, the rails that the 10ER move on are rusted. What can I do that won't mar them up to get the rust off?

anmius · Post by **anmius** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:22 pm

In my opinion, the best location for 10er information is the Yahoo Group: "Shopsmith10ERusers" (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shopsmith10ERusers/). Sign-up and browse the files and I'll bet you will find out most anything you want to learn. And make sure you contribute anything new you learn there and here. I don't have a 10ER (I have a Mark V 500) so I can't really help you with specific 10ER information.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:28 pm

anmius wrote:In my opinion, the best location for 10er information is the Yahoo Group: "Shopsmith10ERusers" (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shopsmith10ERusers/). Sign-up and browse the files and I'll bet you will find out most anything you want to learn. And make sure you contribute anything new you learn there and here. I don't have a 10ER (I have a Mark V 500) so I can't really help you with specific 10ER information.

I don't really agree. Yes, this is not a 10E/10ER specific sight but if you will just browse around and/or use the search function you will find that there is a lot of real good information about the 10E/10ER.

SDSSmith · Post by **SDSSmith** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:42 pm

anmius wrote:In my opinion, the best location for 10er information is the Yahoo Group: "Shopsmith10ERusers" (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shopsmith10ERusers/). Sign-up and browse the files and I'll bet you will find out most anything you want to learn. And make sure you contribute anything new you learn there and here. I don't have a 10ER (I have a Mark V 500) so I can't really help you with specific 10ER information.

I own a 10ER and I would second animus' suggestion that http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shopsmith10ERusers/ is the best source for support and information for the 10E and 10ER. The moderator, Skip Campbell, has a wealth of information that is complimented by a very helpful group of members. In addition, they have a gmail site that has most of the documentation for the machine and its accessories. It is a great machine (as are almost all Shopsmith models). Have fun with it!

heathicus · Post by **heathicus** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:45 pm

I'm getting close to being finished with a restoration job on my second ER. MickyD is about to get started on one. Other people here have ERs too.

anmius's suggestion is correct. The Yahoo user groups is a fantastic resource (even I prefer a forum like this one) and I have learned a tremendous amount about the ER there. Look through the Files section, look through the Photo albums and just soak up the info. And don't be afraid to ask a question there. Introduce yourself and say hello, give a little history on the machine (if you can) and ask any questions you have. Someone will have the answer.

As for the questions you asked here, I'll try to take a shot at it.

Is the finish worth restoring?

I assume you mean the original paint? Well, I guess that is up to you. What kind of condition is it in? I think most people just take it down to bare metal and paint anew. Both of my ERs were covered in green paint applied many years after the original paint had deteriorated. Both paint jobs were just applied over what was left of the original paint. I took both down to bare metal with a wire brush on my angle grinder. I would think a sandblaster would be great to have for the cast iron parts, but I don't know enough about sandblasting to know if it takes off too much material. I've heard a lot of talk about "bead blasting" but don't really know what that is. Somewhere in the Files section of the Yahoo group is a document that has the formulas to color match the original paint. I just used some Rustoleum spray paint on mine. Hammered Gray on the first one and Hammered Black on the second one.

Should I replace the old chuck for a new one?

Unless your old chuck is damaged, there's no need to replace it. They are pretty rugged. The Jacobs chuck I received with my second ER was covered in a thick layer of rust and acid deposits and who knows what else. It probably hadn't been used in 15-20 years. I soaked it in Evapo-Rust and it cleaned up really nice. It still wouldn't move so I took it to a mechanic and they used a press to press the collar off (I wish I had my own press!). I then cleaned up the inside parts real good and it's waiting on me to go back to the mechanic to press the collar back on. It still has a lot of use left in it.

What can I do to get rust off the rails?

That is always a big topic of conversation and you'll probably find hundreds of posts about this on the Yahoo group if you can get any meaningful results from the search feature. I documented my experience with cleaning up the tubes in this thread: https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=3343.

Hope that helps, and welcome to the wonderful world of the 10ER!

heathicus · Post by **heathicus** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:51 pm

dusty wrote:I don't really agree. Yes, this is not a 10E/10ER specific sight but if you will just browse around and/or use the search function you will find that there is a lot of real good information about the 10E/10ER.

Yes, there is a lot of great information here on this forum. Even a lot of the Mark V info will apply to the 10ER. And, as I said in my previous post, I much prefer the "forum" setup to the Yahoo group setup. I think this forum encourages more conversation and helps people get to know each other better than the Yahoo group setup does. That being said however, the folks at the Yahoo group are 10ER enthusiasts. There are some real experts there (like Skip) who can answer just about any question someone asks. A lot of the ER questions I've seen here are answered with "I don't have an ER, but..." while the person answering your question on the Yahoo group probably has several ERs!

patm1313 · Post by **patm1313** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:14 pm

Can someone give me a link to the files on the yahoo group that has the paint recipe?

Secondly, does anyone know what belts i can use to replace the ones on the machine?

Thirdly, it's not electrically grounded. What would I have to do to ground it?

Lastly, does anyone know of plans for making a bench to go underneath it? (it doesn't have the original one)

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:31 pm

patm1313 wrote:Can someone give me a link to the files on the yahoo group that has the paint recipe?

Secondly, does anyone know what belts i can use to replace the ones on the machine?

Thirdly, it's not electrically grounded. What would I have to do to ground it?

Lastly, does anyone know of plans for making a bench to go underneath it? (it doesn't have the original one)

3) Connect the green wire of a three wire line cord to the frame of the motor. This will only work if the motor insulation is solid. The black and white wires replace the existing line cord. I suggest also replacing the wiring going to the switch. Connect a green jumper wire between the motor frame and the quill housing containing the power switch(headstock).

heathicus · Post by **heathicus** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:02 am

patm1313 wrote:Can someone give me a link to the files on the yahoo group that has the paint recipe?

Secondly, does anyone know what belts i can use to replace the ones on the machine?

Once you log in to the Yahoo group, click the Files link on the left. Scroll down until you see the file "er-belts-bearings-color.htm" That document has the paint recipe that matches the original color and also lists the belts and info on the bearings. Scroll on down to "ExportBench.jpg" for Magna's blueprints for a bench.

But, I'll go ahead and quote that document for you here. You didn't ask about the bearings, so I won't include that section.

Information provided by group members

Compiled for easy reference.

Here are color matchs for the Shopsmith 10ER:

1 - The tint base is Rust-oleum Masstone Gloss
The Home Depot color label is:
Colorant 0Z 48 96
D Thalo Green 0 20 1
E Thalo Blue 1 29 0
F Red Oxide 0 19 0
KX White 0 27 0

This color is very close, a little more on the gray side.
Increasing the White to 0 29 0 will make the color slightly less gray
The paint can be applied with a foam brush or with a spray gun.

2 - Sherwin Williams. This is a oil based enamel 1 quart.

They called it "Dark Grayish Blue".

Here are the numbers:

Bac Colorant OZ 32 64 128

W1-WHITE - 15 - 1

B1-BLACK - 57 1 1

G2-NEW GREEN - 2 - -

Y3-DEEP GOLD - 4 1 -

It looks like a real good match for an area which was not exposed to the elements..

The belts are:
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-- Direct drive 3 step pulley

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