Restoring old 10ER?

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:37 pm

Len wrote:I believe you, but must ask why?
Today went to Harbor Freight on got that Evapo Rust and we'll see after I bath them in it. Besides I don't have a Mark V given to me for free....unless.....naw, never mind, but thanks for the info

Too bad you are in CA! I would swap good mkV tubes for them sight unseen!:D

Len · Post by **Len** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:46 pm

Whoa! OK, you ARE sweet talking devils. I won't cut them.
I'll go out and get 1 1/2 PVC, fill er up with Evapo Rust and sink one at a time into it. Will let you know...and thanks.

mickyd · Post by **mickyd** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:43 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Too bad you are in CA! I would swap good mkV tubes for them sight unseen!:D

Your cheating jpg...you saw them in the photo already!!!:D

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat May 02, 2009 1:30 am

Len wrote:Whoa! OK, you ARE sweet talking devils. I won't cut them.
I'll go out and get 1 1/2 PVC, fill er up with Evapo Rust and sink one at a time into it. Will let you know...and thanks.

1 3/4" tubes will NOT fit into a 1 1/2" pvc pipe! You need 2" pvc pipe. If you want to also 'fill' the inside(so as to need LESS evaporust) you will also need some 1" pvc pipe(od must be less than 1 1/2"). With no pipe in center it will require almost 2 quarts to submerge tube. MAY get by with 1 qt IFF center fill is used. Another option(it you do not care to derust the inside of the way tubes) is to plug both ends.

It will probably require overnite. I hope my estatic opinion of evaporust does not bite us both. My tubes were NOT as rusted as yours. Please let us know your degree of success!!!! If they are not cleaned overnite leave them in longer. You are going to be cleaning off some black stuff when you rinse them off. Rinse them off immediately. After you are finished with evaporust, treat the way tubes immediately to prevent rapid re rusting.

BTW a gallon is only costs slightly more than 2 qts.

mickyd · Post by **mickyd** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:42 pm

JPG40504 wrote:1 3/4" tubes will NOT fit into a 1 1/2" pvc pipe! You need 2" pvc pipe. If you want to also 'fill' the inside(so as to need LESS evaporust) you will also need some 1" pvc pipe(od must be less than 1 1/2"). With no pipe in center it will require almost 2 quarts to submerge tube. MAY get by with 1 qt IFF center fill is used. Another option(it you do not care to derust the inside of the way tubes) is to plug both ends.

It will probably require overnite. I hope my estatic opinion of evaporust does not bite us both. My tubes were NOT as rusted as yours. Please let us know your degree of success!!!! If they are not cleaned overnite leave them in longer. You are going to be cleaning off some black stuff when you rinse them off. Rinse them off immediately. After you are finished with evaporust, treat the way tubes immediately to prevent rapid re rusting.

BTW a gallon is only costs slightly more than 2 qts.

You then may want to give them a spin in this homemade lathe setup. Get some sandpaper and a nice flat sanding block and clean em to a bright shine. Polish them with Johnson's Past Wax when your done.

Len · Post by **Len** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:46 pm

Mike,
I already have that photo in my head, real well, and thanks!
And JPG, I already know that I am here on earth, and if nothing goes right, it is normal. Like I tell most folks at the beginning of a hot topic, "we ain't in heaven yet so let's get it normal first".
But I do intend to fill the 2" tube I got AND the 5 foot piece holds 13 cups of water wich is less than the 128 oz bottle you told me about! And that is already up to the tippy-top, which the tubes don't reach, so!
I'll take photos, actually I already did so I know where parts go back. Not as smart as most of you guys, so I take it one step at a time REAL SLOWLY. And thanks for all the help AND encouragement. You guys are great!
Now for a bit more beer tonight.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:25 am

Len wrote:Mike,
I already have that photo in my head, real well, and thanks!
And JPG, I already know that I am here on earth, and if nothing goes right, it is normal. Like I tell most folks at the beginning of a hot topic, "we ain't in heaven yet so let's get it normal first".
But I do intend to fill the 2" tube I got AND the 5 foot piece holds 13 cups of water wich is less than the 128 oz bottle you told me about! And that is already up to the tippy-top, which the tubes don't reach, so!
I'll take photos, actually I already did so I know where parts go back. Not as smart as most of you guys, so I take it one step at a time REAL SLOWLY. And thanks for all the help AND encouragement. You guys are great!
Now for a bit more beer tonight.

Just make sure you put evaporust in the pipe, NOT the beer(They are about the same color[when new]):D .

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Sun May 03, 2009 8:50 am

JPG40504 wrote:Just make sure you put evaporust in the pipe, NOT the beer(They are about the same color[when new]):D .

My gg-grandfather was a gunmaker of some note and while bull urine was commonly used in the process of barrel browning I do understand that on occasion he was known to use "used" beer.

"browning" is sort of a controlled rusting process that leaves a finish that will not rust easily. Maybe we should use that on these way tubes and just wax it. Then a tiny amount of new rust wouldn't jump out at you so vividly.

I have said for years that sinks and bathroom fixtures should come new in a rusty iron color.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:41 am

[quote="robinson46176"]My gg-grandfather was a gunmaker of some note and while bull urine was commonly used in the process of barrel browning I do understand that on occasion he was known to use "used" beer.

"browning" is sort of a controlled rusting process that leaves a finish that will not rust easily. Maybe we should use that on these way tubes and just wax it. Then a tiny amount of new rust wouldn't jump out at you so vividly.

I have said for years that sinks and bathroom fixtures should come new in a rusty iron color. ]
Ditto the color of Bull Urine(do not drink!).

tom_k/mo · Post by **tom_k/mo** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:45 am

[quote="robinson46176"]My gg-grandfather was a gunmaker of some note and while bull urine was commonly used in the process of barrel browning I do understand that on occasion he was known to use "used" beer.

"browning" is sort of a controlled rusting process that leaves a finish that will not rust easily. Maybe we should use that on these way tubes and just wax it. Then a tiny amount of new rust wouldn't jump out at you so vividly.

I have said for years that sinks and bathroom fixtures should come new in a rusty iron color. ]

Yes, urine was used in a number of the original browning formulations. Most of the browning chemicals today utilize a nitric acid. I don't think that browning would be a good option for the tubes. I've got a number of muzzleloader rifles and pistols with browned barrels, one is a very fine browning which can and will rub off to bright steel with handling, and some are more deeply browned, which leaves a more "textured" surface, which would definitely not be conducive to sliding a headstock along...