Table top.

Don13535 · Post by **Don13535** » Thu May 07, 2009 1:46 pm

My table top is tilted so that it seems I am sawing uphill. It is quite noticable. This is OK except when I want to use the drill. I don't see any adjustments to account for this. It seems to have occured when I installed the lift adjustment and turned the way tubes. I don't think that the way tubes are that different. Are there any suggestions Other than shims. It will take about 1/2" in shims.

Don13535

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:09 pm

Don13535 wrote:My table top is tilted so that it seems I am sawing uphill. It is quite noticable. This is OK except when I want to use the drill. I don't see any adjustments to account for this. It seems to have occured when I installed the lift adjustment and turned the way tubes. I don't think that the way tubes are that different. Are there any suggestions Other than shims. It will take about 1/2" in shims.

Don13535

I think this is a good time for some pictures. 1/2"!!!!:eek: The trunion area is of interest. Is the tie bar properly seating when in lowered position. Is the lift somehow interferring? ??????

More info requested!

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:06 pm

Don13535 wrote:My table top is tilted so that it seems I am sawing uphill. It is quite noticable. This is OK except when I want to use the drill. I don't see any adjustments to account for this. It seems to have occured when I installed the lift adjustment and turned the way tubes. I don't think that the way tubes are that different. Are there any suggestions Other than shims. It will take about 1/2" in shims.

Don13535

In the way of clarification, please confirm that what you are saying is that the outfeed side of the table is higher than the infeed side.

If this is correct, how much higher? Lay a level on the main table and lift the infeed end of the level until it indicates level. How much gap between the table top and the level?

While you have the level in hand, lay it across the way tubes or bench tubes. Are they near level?

If the way tubes are level and the main table is NOT, the only correction is to install washers on the infeed trunnion bolts to lift the infeed edge of the table.

moose · Post by **moose** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:31 pm

Don......after you make the checks that Dusty suggested and confirm that it is the outfeed that is elevated, do one more thing that seems silly. On my garage floor, there is one area that is so unlevel that it produces the same effect. Try moving your SS about a little or turn it 90 degrees and see if the problem goes away. I hope I am interpreting your problem correctly and I agree with JPG that its time for pictures. Sometimes the simplist thing can be overlooked.

No matter what, some member of this forum will discover your problem before the day is over.

Ashbury

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:50 pm

ashbury wrote:Don......after you make the checks that Dusty suggested and confirm that it is the outfeed that is elevated, do one more thing that seems silly. On my garage floor, there is one area that is so unlevel that it produces the same effect. Try moving your SS about a little or turn it 90 degrees and see if the problem goes away. I hope I am interpreting your problem correctly and I agree with JPG that its time for pictures. Sometimes the simplist thing can be overlooked.

No matter what, some member of this forum will discover your problem before the day is over.

Ashbury

Moving the Shopsmith around to see if the phenomenon changes is not silly at all. It is really quite ingenious. If you spin the Mark V 180*, are you now sawing downhill?

Don13535 · Post by **Don13535** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:54 pm

Thanks for the suggestions. I will take some pictures and post them tomorrow.
I have not found how to post a quick reply just yet. o I hope you all see this.

Don

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:20 pm

Don13535 wrote:My table top is tilted so that it seems I am sawing uphill. It is quite noticable. This is OK except when I want to use the drill. I don't see any adjustments to account for this. It seems to have occured when I installed the lift adjustment and turned the way tubes. I don't think that the way tubes are that different. Are there any suggestions Other than shims. It will take about 1/2" in shims.

Don13535

Don
Did you have the main table off? If you did is it possible you skiped a tooth when you put in back in? What I mean is the table support tube have gear teeth that engage gears in the height adjustment mech. If the front is one or more teeth lower in the height adjustment mechanize than the back main table support tube the table would be slanted.

I think it is possible to have the height adj lock so loose that the front gear could shift out of engagement letting the front support tube to go into far, then if you realized something was wrong you could have reengaged the gear one or two teeth off and then had the problem.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:21 pm

Don13535 wrote:My table top is tilted so that it seems I am sawing uphill. It is quite noticable. This is OK except when I want to use the drill. I don't see any adjustments to account for this. It seems to have occured when I installed the lift adjustment and turned the way tubes. I don't think that the way tubes are that different. Are there any suggestions Other than shims. It will take about 1/2" in shims.

Don13535

Don
Did you have the main table off? If you did is it possible you skiped a tooth when you put in back in? That would mean the table support tube have gear teeth that engage gears in the height adjustment mech. If the front is one or more teeth lower in the height adjustment mechanize than the back main table support tube the table would be slanted.

I think it is possible to have the height adj lock so loose that the front gear could shift out of engagement letting the front support tube to go into far, then if you realized something was wrong you could have reengaged the gear one or two teeth off and then had the problem.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:32 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:Don
Did you have the main table off? If you did is it possible you skiped a tooth when you put in back in? What I mean is the table support tube have gear teeth that engage gears in the height adjustment mech. If the front is one or more teeth lower in the height adjustment mechanize than the back main table support tube the table would be slanted.

I think it is possible to have the height adj lock so loose that the front gear could shift out of engagement letting the front support tube to go into far, then if you realized something was wrong you could have reengaged the gear one or two teeth off and then had the problem.

Have you ever done that, Ed? If not, try to never do it.

When it happens you darn near can't get the parts to separate again. They bind in there real tight. Guess that is because they are not designed to work that way maybe.

fjimp · Post by **fjimp** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:09 pm

Great ideas I like all of them. I would also be curious to know if the table top is perpendicular (90 degrees) from the blade? It seems to me that one could have the shopsmith on an un-level surface and still achieve square cuts. Okay I know I am simple minded and no mathematician so am likely missing something very basic. I'll bet you kind folks will teach me something important here. fjimp