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mbcabinetmaker · Post by **mbcabinetmaker** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:32 pm

OK you have been warned reading along will only spoil the surprise later.

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Tom I start with a groove in the sides and bottom of the cabinet for the back.

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The back then slides into the groove.

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This is the upper part of the wedge bracket. It is 3/4 x 2 1/2 inches.

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It is nailed and screwed into place in this position at the top of the cabinet.

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This is the wall cleat part of the bracket. It is 1/2 X 2 1/2 inches

mbcabinetmaker · Post by **mbcabinetmaker** » Wed May 27, 2009 4:42 pm

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It attaches to the wall and the other bracket slides down onto it, wedging the two together.

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This is how I normally send them out. This is where a simple printable instruction/diagram of how to remove it, level it and either screw it to the studs or attach with toggle bolts would be nice.

Thanks
Mark

wlhayesmfs · Post by **wlhayesmfs** » Wed May 27, 2009 6:25 pm

That is the way I have been putting up shop cabinets since I saw someone else do it that way. Sure is easier than trying to hold and level the cabinets.

osx-addict · Post by **osx-addict** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:16 pm

They frequently do that here at work (a large aerospace co) to hold cabinets, large pictures,etc.. There's a set of cleats like that still attached to one of the walls down the way a bit but w/o anything hanging on it.. (not sure why tho)..

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:46 pm

osx-addict wrote:They frequently do that here at work (a large aerospace co) to hold cabinets, large pictures,etc.. There's a set of cleats like that still attached to one of the walls down the way a bit but w/o anything hanging on it.. (not sure why tho)..

Costs MONEY to remove and patch the holes!;)

MARK: What is the UPPER wedge nailed/screwed to? The back? The sides? The top? Is the back ever 'permanently' attached to the sides? Pretend I like burning sul.. black gunpowder!

ryanbp01 · Post by **ryanbp01** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:46 pm

This project looks like a project featured in Wood magazine a couple of years ago for a four door cabinet.

BPR

mbcabinetmaker · Post by **mbcabinetmaker** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:31 pm

JPG

OK lets clear the black smoke!:D

The top nailer is brad nailed and then screwed into the top shelf through the 1/4 in back. That locks everything in place. I use screws because this piece carries the weight of the cabinet and all the contents.

Mark

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Thu May 28, 2009 7:25 pm

Mark did a very good job of showing us this type of cleat. I have used variances of these cleats for ALL of my wall cabinets in the shop and a couple in the house, but I never knew what the name of this cleat was.

Found an article in "Fine Woodworking" Magazine about this cleat system. It is called a "French Cleat". The article is in issue #201 - December 2008 - page 56.

You may also be able to find more about the variances of these cleats on the INTERNET. (I don't know, I haven't tried)

Thanks, Mark!:) for your photos and explanations:D

BTW - I've used 1/4" backs on all of my wall cabinets and they are holding up fine. Went back and got a closer count of the magazines in my library cabinet. Close to 350. That's a lot of weight, especially when you add the 3/4" ply construction and the tools hanging on the inside and outside.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu May 28, 2009 7:29 pm

mbcabinetmaker wrote:JPG

OK lets clear the black smoke!:D The top nailer is brad nailed and then screwed into the top shelf through the 1/4 in back. That locks everything in place. I use screws because this piece carries the weight of the cabinet and all the contents.

Mark

Black Smoke? Tom must be around here someplace!:D Consider it cleared! Thanks!

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:52 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Black Smoke? Tom must be around here someplace!:D Consider it cleared! Thanks!

Hey it could be me... I like front stuffers too...

I even have a Yahoo groups list called "Budget Muzzeloading".

I just have never used a ShopSmith for anything to do with my noise makers. I guess I could make a nice cabinet but I keep them in a safe. Not much security with a glass front cabinet.
I guess I could make a lathe turned wooden "clay pigeon". With my skills at skeet one should last forever.

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