KV pocket doors/Blum tandem undermount drawer glides

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KV pocket doors/Blum tandem undermount drawer glides

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This week I will be finishing up a Armoire style entertainment center for a friend. It has 2 pocket doors over 3 drawers. For interested parties I plan to post the process of using Blum tandem under mount drawer glides with a soft close feature called Blum Motion. http://www.blum.com/us/en/01/40/10/index.php Also we will cover the pocket door installation using KV 8080 hardware. http://www.knapeandvogt.com/Pocket_Door ... ducts.2.25 I have the case put together and am ready to start the doors and drawers. I am not sure if that will be Monday or Tuesday but just check this thread if you would like to follow along.
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Update

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Some things came up and this project was pushed to the back burner. I should get back on it next week.

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mbcabinetmaker wrote:Some things came up and this project was pushed to the back burner. I should get back on it next week.

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What happened to the economy being for the BIRDS???:D Hope too much 'work' pushed it back!:)
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Still for the birds

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Actually it was the opposite. I have spent a week pricing and beating the bushes. I not sure if I sacred anything up or not. All the shops in my area are very slow right now. I haven't had a paying job in 3 weeks now. Actually I have been at about 50% since November. The good thing is that it has given me time to learn a lot about the computer and time on this forum. The bad thing is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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mbcabinetmaker wrote:Actually it was the opposite. I have spent a week pricing and beating the bushes. I not sure if I sacred anything up or not. All the shops in my area are very slow right now. I haven't had a paying job in 3 weeks now. Actually I have been at about 50% since November. The good thing is that it has given me time to learn a lot about the computer and time on this forum. The bad thing is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Maybe that Widder lady up in the mountains will take pity on you(since you helped her out!) and give you your $$$$$ back.:D
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Preparing the drawers

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When using Blum Tandem under mount drawer glides the drawer sides can be 1/2" or 5/8" thick. I am using 5/8" solid poplar so the drawer needs to finish out 3/8" less than the opening. With 1/2" sides this measurement is 5/8". Our opening is 42 inches so I cut the fronts and backs 41 5/8". With half blind dovetails in my Porter Cable jig the fronts and backs run all the way through. The sides however need to be cut 1/2" shorter than the finished size. The drawer needs to finish 21 inches from front to back, so the sides are cut 20 1/2". This is critical.




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The groove for the 1/4 inch bottoms needs to be 1/2 inches from the bottom of the sides.







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Notice that I have predrilled holes to attach the drawer fronts. It is easier to drill them on the SS before assembling the drawers.







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I use these clamping squares until the glue dries.




Next post we will cover the installation of the glides.

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OK if you are not familiar with these glides you will just have to trust me when I tell you that these are not nearly as complicated as they are going to first appear.





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These are 21 inch tandem full extension with built in Blum motion. The are also available in 3/4 extension and full extension without Blum motion.







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This is a close up of the self closing Blum motion device.







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These are called locking devices. They are the only thing that actually attachés to the drawer boxes.







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This is a factory jig with drill bits that I highly recommend.



Next post we will modify the drawer boxes and start installing hardware.


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We have to make 2 notches in the back of the drawers for the glides.







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Only the square portion needs to come out but to make it easier to cut with the jig saw I added the curve.







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Next we use the jig to drill this 5 mm hole.







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Now we flip the jig and drill 2 holes for the locking device.







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This showes the locking device screwed down and the 5 mm hole in the back. These steps are repeated on the other side of the drawer.



Next we will install the glides in the cabinet.


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The first step is to build out for the glides.







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These will be flush inset drawers and doors. I am determining the distance for the screw.







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After marking the distance with my square I screw the glide in place. Notice that I have made a ledge on the build out block to support the glide while attaching it.







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This little stub that my pencil is pointing to goes into the 5 mm hole in the back of the drawer.







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Now just slide the drawer onto the glides until the locking devices lock into place. This picture was taken while laying on the floor and shooting the bottom of the drawer.

Mark
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Drawers in the cabinet.







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I like the clean look of these hidden glides especially with dovetailed drawers.







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To remove the drawer from the cabinet just reach under and squeeze the locking devices and pull the drawer out.


Mark
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