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pennview wrote:I don't understand the apples and oranges reference.
perhaps it was because the DC3300 with the large filter sucks better and collects much smaller dust particles than the DC3300 with standard hood.

I cannot comment on the relative cost, but comparing the HF DC with maximum upgrade to the SS DC basic model may not be apples to apples for everyone.
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pennview wrote:I don't understand the apples and oranges reference.

Pennview. I made the "apples and oranges" comment. So I'll try to explain. You compared a HF WITH a winn filter to a DC3300 with a standard filter. Add the 42" filter to the DC3300. It also traps down to one micron.
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I guess it's all in the fine print. Down to 1 micron as the cake builds up and the particles that are trapped get smaller with the Shopsmith vs. the Wynn with 99.995% efficient at 1.0 micron and above. You can also get a Wynn these days that traps particles to .2 microns.

Perhaps the comparison was between the HF plus Wynn and the Shopsmith with standard hood because they are the two collectors that I have.

You can often buy the HF collector on sale for $179.99 at one of the HF stores and use one of their 20 percent off coupons and get it for $145.00. Not too bad a deal.
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Just for the sake of clarification, can someone clue us in on what model of HF dust collector we're talking about?

This is an area I have yet to address in my shop, and there are times I get tired of having to stop everything and sweep/vacuum for an hour. But my shop is a work in progress right now, having been in existence less than a year.
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fiatben wrote:Just for the sake of clarification, can someone clue us in on what model of HF dust collector we're talking about?

This is an area I have yet to address in my shop, and there are times I get tired of having to stop everything and sweep/vacuum for an hour. But my shop is a work in progress right now, having been in existence less than a year.
http://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html
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I have the HF model and it works well for me with the standard bag. My shop in AZ is partly open so a few fine bits that may escape (but don't seem to) the standard bag don't bother me. I added a home made cyclone and only the finest dust (sanding dust size) even makes it to the lower bag. It will be a long time before I have to empty it.

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shipwright wrote:I have the HF model and it works well for me with the standard bag. My shop in AZ is partly open so a few fine bits that may escape (but don't seem to) the standard bag don't bother me. I added a home made cyclone and only the finest dust (sanding dust size) even makes it to the lower bag. It will be a long time before I have to empty it.

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Is it accurate to say: You have the 2hp HF DC , but have modified the setup so as to have a cyclone prior to the 'blower' as well as the one included after the 'blower'?
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I don't consider the "included" one as much of a cyclone actually. I usually think of a cyclone's purpose in a DC system as saving the impeller and depositing the chips in an easy to empty separate container. You are right however, the stock model does swirl the dust, chips and stuff around.

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shipwright wrote:I don't consider the "included" one as much of a cyclone actually. I usually think of a cyclone's purpose in a DC system as saving the impeller and depositing the chips in an easy to empty separate container. You are right however, the stock model does swirl the dust, chips and stuff around.

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I assume that swirling causes the heavier particles to fall into the bag. That is the purpose of a cyclone(the heavier stuff is separated from the lighter stuff(air).

I agree it doesn't look like much of a cyclone to me either(no decreasing radius cone[that is what makes the cyclone 'work']).
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