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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:47 am
by heathicus
These are multi-purpose tools, afterall. It's not like you're cutting the dash in a 69 Camero to put a cheap stereo in!
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:04 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
dusty wrote:I want to thank you for introducing Arduino. This could be like going back in time. My first electronic bread board introduced me to the Intel 8080 processor and assembly language. Giant step forward and we have Arduino meets Lego.
This could be fun. There has to be a catch somewhere. I can see the cost factor for the modules that are available but not for the software/firmware. I gotta find out about what it costs to those modules first.
The Arduino package is amazingly cost effective. The language and specific interest groups have tons of free online libraries where you can just copy the code. Making it also time efficient.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:22 pm
by reible
Bad_Synapse_Labs wrote:I appreciate the feedback.
I stated the concern part because I have experienced that before by hardliners and when I succeeded all sorts of hell broke out. I just left that forum.
I don't think you will find that happening here. (If you start cutting the way tubes some might get concerned...) The 10ER I'm restoring is being done in bright cartoon colors, what I like may not be every ones cup of tea either.
The table is one item I am changing. I am adding 1/3 more surface area. I am going to add mounts and add the capability for a routing table.
The routing table has been done, I seem to recall two versions being posted here at one time or other. It might be worth your time to search the old posts to see what has been done and how it worked out.
I am adding small level indicators on all 4 side.
I guess you lost me on the levels. "Level" is not concept for use of this sort of machine if you are planning to level the table as that will do nothing for you wood working wise. May be I'm misunderstanding your intent?
I am adding a cross hatch groove network on the top of the table so it can become part of my "Lego" concept. Example being of this is I will fabric many ABS squares that match the footprint of the table. In 1 square I am going to embed a bearing bed. I will then place it over the table with the cross hatch grooves to "interlock" them. I just lower the table till I am level and Viola, I have surface that can help with maneuvering large material.
Sorry again I'm lost. I need to see some sketches I guess. I get lost even more when I start adding a miter gauge or rip fence....
I was actually thinking of adding another table just for the conveinance of more surface area at the working level.
Another idea everybody might be interested in is a very simple Digital Tach to verify your RPM. It will be very small in foot print and in the actual pulley cover. I am using the open source Arduino kits to build this. It will be very easy to apply to your machine and can take quite the beating.
Several people have built and some even sell this sort of thing, I simply purchased a optical one off ebay for about $13 including shipping. It works fine but I don't find it of a lot of use. Unless you have the speed changer you are working with fixed pulleys and there is a chart which tells you the rpm depending on your setup. In woodworking a couple of hundred rpm isn't a big deal.
There will have to be periodic maintenance but nothing absurd. just clean the lens and change the battery once the power light starts blinking our out all together.
I have a plethora of ideas and I know i will only incorporate 2% of them
The pictures I do have now need to be re-sized real quick for proper attachment. Just give me a day or so.
Perhaps you just want to do your own thing here but you might want to visit here:
http://www.mkctools.com/
Skip also has some utube videos to watch, it will give you an idea of what has already been done and might let you work on "new" areas not yet touched on by anyone.
As so far as problems with the original it depends on what you want to do with it. If you cut small things then a larger table is not needed. If you want to have a longer lathe bed then guess what, someone has already done it. Speed range is limited by the original pulley setup but a speed change can be had that fixes that pretty much, want more then go to a DC motor and yes you can buy that setup as well. Problems with a machine that is 60 years old have for the most part been solved either by upgrades or add-on's.
I know it is a new toy and you want to play and explore just make sure you keep it safe.
Ed
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:00 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
robinson46176 wrote:What! Alterations to a Shopsmith???
Do you mean like one in my shop...
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YES!
Thats what I am talking about! Very nice kind sir. My changes are going to be practical as well along with some additions to the 21st century.
I have acquired this 10ER primarily for wood turning however since I can never
leave anything alone I am slowly building a shopsmith they would have used to build the Deathstar.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:48 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
reible wrote:Perhaps you just want to do your own thing here but you might want to visit here:
http://www.mkctools.com/
Skip also has some utube videos to watch, it will give you an idea of what has already been done and might let you work on "new" areas not yet touched on by anyone.
As so far as problems with the original it depends on what you want to do with it. If you cut small things then a larger table is not needed. If you want to have a longer lathe bed then guess what, someone has already done it. Speed range is limited by the original pulley setup but a speed change can be had that fixes that pretty much, want more then go to a DC motor and yes you can buy that setup as well. Problems with a machine that is 60 years old have for the most part been solved either by upgrades or add-on's.
I know it is a new toy and you want to play and explore just make sure you keep it safe.
Ed
Man! thank you. First thing I do is sketch out everything. I have about 9 iterations as of now. I have to go through the process weeding out the frivolous so I have a good plan of attack once the 10ER is ready for re assembling and then fabrication. I am almost down with the resizing of my pics to fit here so I can show progress.
if your interested in seeing my modular idea I will be more than happy to share. The router table is going to be a hybrid. I will share the plans there as well. I am actually in the process of trying(keyword) of introducing a 3D printer I built to an improvised CNC I am tinkering with to iron out the bugs. there is a method to my madness.
the tach I was aware of existing however I am 1 guy who will spend $1000000
to build a $100 part just so I can do it. I have a whole bunch a random things ranging from telescopes to 3D printers. I have lots of failures however. I call those failures my learning curves.
If your interested I am more than happy to share any intel and pictures I have.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:41 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
[quote="reible"]Perhaps you just want to do your own thing here but you might want to visit here:
http://www.mkctools.com/
Skip also has some utube videos to watch, it will give you an idea of what has already been done and might let you work on "new" areas not yet touched on by anyone.
As so far as problems with the original it depends on what you want to do with it. If you cut small things then a larger table is not needed. If you want to have a longer lathe bed then guess what, someone has already done it. Speed range is limited by the original pulley setup but a speed change can be had that fixes that pretty much, want more then go to a DC motor and yes you can buy that setup as well. Problems with a machine that is 60 years old have for the most part been solved either by upgrades or add-on's.
I know it is a new toy and you want to play and explore just make sure you keep it safe.
Ed[/QUOTE/
Thank you for your post. Do to the nature of who I am, I have to build everything myself. Ranging from 3D printers to modifying a mill to a CNC.
when it comes to older machines I love adding a twist of modern to it.
but definitely leaving the nostalgia alone as much as possible.
I am sure there are lots of things that have already been done. But do to my need to build everything, it just has to be done.
I have a special effects lab that has taught me to emprovise. However I am completely consumed by quality and functionality.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:43 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
reible wrote:Perhaps you just want to do your own thing here but you might want to visit here:
http://www.mkctools.com/
Skip also has some utube videos to watch, it will give you an idea of what has already been done and might let you work on "new" areas not yet touched on by anyone.
As so far as problems with the original it depends on what you want to do with it. If you cut small things then a larger table is not needed. If you want to have a longer lathe bed then guess what, someone has already done it. Speed range is limited by the original pulley setup but a speed change can be had that fixes that pretty much, want more then go to a DC motor and yes you can buy that setup as well. Problems with a machine that is 60 years old have for the most part been solved either by upgrades or add-on's.
I know it is a new toy and you want to play and explore just make sure you keep it safe.
Ed
Who is Skip. I want to meet Skip. Thank you very much for the intel.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:46 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
reible wrote:Perhaps you just want to do your own thing here but you might want to visit here:
http://www.mkctools.com/
Skip also has some utube videos to watch, it will give you an idea of what has already been done and might let you work on "new" areas not yet touched on by anyone.
As so far as problems with the original it depends on what you want to do with it. If you cut small things then a larger table is not needed. If you want to have a longer lathe bed then guess what, someone has already done it. Speed range is limited by the original pulley setup but a speed change can be had that fixes that pretty much, want more then go to a DC motor and yes you can buy that setup as well. Problems with a machine that is 60 years old have for the most part been solved either by upgrades or add-on's.
I know it is a new toy and you want to play and explore just make sure you keep it safe.
Ed
Skip is a bad MOFO. That is awesome! Thank you for that intel.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:47 pm
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
robinson46176 wrote:What! Alterations to a Shopsmith???
Do you mean like one in my shop...
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Sir,
that is very innovative! I appreciate that very much.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:08 am
by Bad_Synapse_Labs
dusty wrote:Hmmm, gotta know the programming language too.
A little browsing and I find that it is done in C++. Would you not know. I learned Pascal and then touched on C. Not C++ but C. I don't even have the code manuals anymore.
Do I really want to go back that far. Maybe sawdust is enough.
Hmmm, there is one box in the shed somewhere...
Arduino is so easy to work with. it does not matter your skills. programming is much less complicated than C++.
When I built my Go To It telescope Arduino and a few servos had me in the field looking up that same day. NO KIT. All from scratch. it took about 4 hours and 2 trips to radio shack. It will enhance your sawdust. Or make your creations come to life.