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If you check this link:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/specials/currentemailoffers.htm
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The idler shaft rotates at 16,000 on the at 10,000 RPM on the PowerPro, or it rotates at 8320 RPM if my math is correct.
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See what you started Farmer?

[dusty]

If you check this link:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/specials/currentemailoffers.htm

This is one of the main pages and look what Shopsmith has stated:

Shopsmith PowerPro
The Ultimate Upgrade For Your Mark V
It's now been about a year since we first introduced the new Shopsmith PowerPro Headstock Upgrades... and the response to Shopsmith's Ultimate Upgrade has been outstanding, to say the least. To date, over 500 of these incredible upgrades have been ordered and Customer Reviews have been nothing short of fantastic.

I brought it to their attention and nothing was ever done. I would like to think thousands have been sold, but I'm not sure. I would think the 500 number figure would be changed to reflect a better experience in sales. Why only 500 and not 5,000?

I had a problem with my first PowerPro which was one of the first 10 shipped in Aug 2010. I had to return it to Shopsmith as even working with Wes, the vibration was unable to be changed by adjusting the internal DVR set up parameters. My Shopsmith was off the casters & when I got it up to speed the vibration was terrible. The fix? They replaced all the mechanical parts followed by a new DVR motor system.

Unfortunately when this motor was shipped back from Shopsmith shipped back the headstock via FedEx Ground. Somehow the lower idler shaft (jointer hub drive) was knocked into the headstock. The result? I did not notice it at first. I turned it on and then with the casters up, I watched the Shopsmith vibrate across a wooden subfloor. I pulled the motor cover off and saw one of the 2 idler shaft bearings was almost completely out of the new split eccentric as the idler shaft moved into the headstock.

Unpon inspection I noted the the belts were not parallel, but at an angle. The vibration caused anything loose to fall off the Shopsmith. I sent it back & it was fixed. I had Shopsmith tape a shaft/hub protector to prevent the idler shaft from being knocked in to the headstock. One thing Shopsmith did was honor the warranty & I was happy.

I still believe the DVR motor is the best thing to ever happen to the Shopsmith. If the price could be lowered down to perhaps $1K, more might be sold. But remember, the entire interior of the headstock including the quill is replaced expect for the quill spring & associated parts. The idler shaft rotates at 16,000 on the at 10,000 RPM on the PowerPro, or it rotates at 8320 RPM if my math is correct. I wonder if the new water pump bearing idler assy on Ebay has bearing cable of double the old speed? If so, then those twin bearing idler assemblies would be held in place as the new split eccentric doesn't work as well as the old one.

The secret to selling an item with a low profit margin is volume! There are plenty of Mark Vs out there! But if you don't need 10,000 RPM or desire the constant torque of the DVR motor, a Mark V motor is adequate for almost everything you might ever do. The Mark V track record is a long one & a good one. But the PowerPro will leave your mouth open- beware of saw dust!

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems as though the PowerPro was released more like two years ago.

[terrydowning]

[quote="shortslvs"]I have a Lowe's CC
I am a veteran
All I need is a demo in Lancaster, CA
Help me SS ]

Same boat here.
I did see this online though. Shipping is included on this offer.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_357609-28234-55 ... facetInfo=

Compared to $1509 + shipping direct from Shopsmith. It looks like they're rolling the shipping into the price. But if I can get the discounts locally. Hmmm... SWMBO will stay no I'm sure especially with the youngest heading off to college in the fall. So I'll just have to wait patiently.

I don't know if they offer the same discounts as a demo day. But depending on store manager, you may be able to order in the store and get the same offers.

[dusty]

Same boat here.
I did see this online though. Shipping is included on this offer.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_357609-28234-556177_0__?productId=4087644&Ntt=shopsmith&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dshopsmith&facetInfo=

Compared to $1509 + shipping direct from Shopsmith. It looks like they're rolling the shipping into the price. But if I can get the discounts locally. Hmmm... SWMBO will stay no I'm sure especially with the youngest heading off to college in the fall. So I'll just have to wait patiently.

I don't know if they offer the same discounts as a demo day. But depending on store manager, you may be able to order in the store and get the same offers.

The Shopsmith price at a demo is $1286 plus $100 shipping. But I think Lowe's offers a discount (10%) if you pay on their charge card. There is also some discount available if you are a vet.

I don't want to discuss it! I just walked away from a Lowe's demo without buying the PowerPro.

[terrydowning]

And I totally understand. You have my sympathies sir.

[charlese]

...
I had a problem with my first PowerPro which was one of the first 10 shipped in Aug 2010. I had to return it to Shopsmith ...
They replaced all the mechanical parts followed by a new DVR motor system...

Unfortunately when this motor was shipped back from Shopsmith shipped back the headstock via FedEx Ground. Somehow the lower idler shaft (jointer hub drive) was knocked into the headstock.

I had similar problems as above!:eek: My first PowerPro had issues with the bandsaw and was returned to SS and made over with all new parts. It was damaged just like backhertz's with the the idler shaft was pushed into the headstock. I repaired the location of that shaft and kept the machine for just short of two years and again sent it in for repairs because of banging and jumping that developed even with the strip sander.

Here is where the difference is - In the time between my first return and the second, Shopsmith sent me an empty box with special packing and written instructions n how to arrange the packing around the headstock. The repaired headstock was returned and is in fine working order. I assume the improved packing was the result of previous rough handling of the Fed Ex workers.

Gotta admit, the 89 pound PowerPro package is a little much for most delivery folks. Even though the new very strong corrugated cardboard box has two hand holes on opposite sides, I doubt that many workers ask for a second person to help lift the box. On my last box, one of the hand holes was ripped upward showing me that someone tried to pull the box with one hand. The only way I envision to avoid this is to use a wood crate. Customers would probably have to pay more for a crate.

[Ed in Tampa]

Shopsmith may have to consider what Sear did when they shipped certain tablesaw. They had a special metal shipping frame that was inside a cardboard box. Seems like it cut down on shipping damage.

[joedw00]

I guess I better start saving some money. They will be here in March.

[backhertz]

I'm not sure why Shopsmith won't update their description to reflect 2010 & over 500 units- unless…

Opps, my bad…16,000 RPM!!! I need to reduce my medication.

Thanks. I know there is a 1.6: 1 ratio. Went the wrong way. But could you imagine the jointer spinning at 16,000 RPM? Holy cow.

Here is a pic from the Popular Woodworking article. If you look at the second picture, you'll see the new hub guard. I requested one when my headstock was shipped back to me. They simply taped it in place on the belt cover. As a result no damage when the headstock was returned to me. I have it permanently attached now.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/tools ... -shopsmith

There is a guy selling the old-style water pump bearing idler shafts on Ebay. I am not sure what the bearings are rated for. But correct me if I'm wrong (you will!) but it seems the twin bearings in the split eccentric bushing doesn't provide the same function as the old eccentric in keeping the idler shaft from moving. I didn't realize it until I tried to put the hub on and it was hitting the vent plate.

So I pulled the cover off and that's when I saw the inner bearing hanging almost out of the eccentric & my belts were at an angle. I sent the headstock back to Shopsmith as I suspected FedEx. But in retrospect, as well as the headstock was packed, there was no way the idler shaft alone could of sustained a whack. My father used to tell me, "These things happen… "

I should of video'd the entire Shopsmith vibrating across a wooden subfloor while the casters were up with the shaft shoved in. I'm not as fast as I used to be, but I caught it! It was returned to me with a plastic cover over the both shafts and was vibration-free when I turned it on.


Thanks by the way for not beating me up, so I'll keep this one short.

[backhertz]

Was just chastising myself on another thread about my 16,000 RPM comment on the idler shaft. I have worked with upper level math most of my working career. So it is not often I make blatant errors.

I just took my calculator out and did the math again and came up with 16,000 RPM on the idler shaft. That is 'assuming' a 1.6: 1 ratio between the idler shaft and the quill assy when spinning at 10,000 RPM.

On the Mark V, the ratio is 1.6: 1 and I assume it is the same on the PowerPro. I read the speed range of the jointer is 3,900 - 6,200 rpm and I know the quill on the Mark V spins at only 5,200 RPM. Those are facts.

So I'm wondering if a PowerPro idler shaft to the drive sleeve assembly is 1.6:1. The PowerPro produces 10,000 RPM quill speed. I wish I had some type of tachometer to measure the idler shaft speed when the quill is spinning at 10,000 RPM.

I just turned on my PowerPro and on the chart it has two speed settings for the jointer: 3,450 & 3,500 RPM. Well those must be quill speeds as the jointer speed range is 3,900 to 6,200 RPM. Assuming a 1.6: 1 ratio, that tells me, I think, the idler shaft is spinning at 5,520-5,600 RPM. Those numbers look good.

Now when the quill is spinning at 10,000 RPM- <aka warp speed>, I am wondering what the idler shaft is turning at. It has to be faster than 10,000 RPM because of the 1.6:1 ratio.

Gentlemen, I believe my 16,000 RPM figure is in fact correct. It has to be. This is good news & I can go back to my meds…:D But I would recommend people use the new plastic shaft guard (521889) to keep anything from hitting the shafts sticking out of the belt cover. They cost only $4 unless you go with a new belt cover that has two threaded holes for the shaft guard screws. It will also protect the idler shaft on a new-design idler shaft assy from being knocked into the headstock.

Please check my figures.