I'm just a wee tad surprised and cornfused that this is still a problem.
I thought it had been cleared up on the forum. As a result of the threads here on it I emailed Teknatool and axed how to go about purchasing the proper SS adapter, as I had been having difficulty accessing their web site (to order).
Got one immediate response, asking only for my full name and address and a copy (electronic copy of the SS order, via email) of the order. Two days later the adapter arrived in my mail box.
No charge.
This was not long ago, couply months maybe.
Nova G3 adapter (Nova PN 'ISNS')
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I'm attempting to attach a copy of sheet Teknatool included with the free replacement ISNS adapters Teknatool provided to people who had purchased the Shopsmith Chuck Kit and were provided the IFNS adapter in error.
It goes back a way to this thread:
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... =teknatool
It seems some people were having problems and some were not. I had purchased my G3 Kit from another vender off of Ebay and was provided 3 different adapters before Teknatool was nice to send me two of the correct ISNS adapters for my G3 Kit for my Shopsmith. They sent two, because the first one never made it to my home.
I can understand the main points are the angle of the larger 5/32" Allen set screw and a 'beefier' ISNS adapter. The larger size is most likely a result of the set screw angle & larger diameter 5/32" screw used throughout the Shopsmith.
The IFNS Allen metric screw is almost one mm smaller than the 5/32" Allen used on the ISNS. I think it is 3mm on the IFNS. I've held both the IFNS & ISNS adapters along with a third I can not recall in my hand.
I think there was speculation that there might of been a problem when using the G3 and then switching from forward to reverse mode on the PowerPro or those Mark Vs that have been modified with a reverse switch. Or perhaps people experienced an issue with the adapter becoming loose. I honestly don't remember.
Last night I read a post by a Power Pro user who mentioned their DVR motor pulley set screw has loosened up on him, not once but two times. Holy cow, that can not be a good thing! I know the motor has a 5-year warranty. But it seems odd a motor set screw is loosening up- ever.
This G3 adapter issue had been brought up many times. Kinda reminds me of a dead horse. But it still seems there is still an issue, with not Shopsmith selling the G3 Check kits, but rather other companies who are not aware there is/was an issue and they are simply selling a 5/8" adapter which easily fits the Shopsmith. Most do not know the ISNS adapter is Allen set screw hole was bored at an angle to match the tapered angle on the Shopsmith so a 5/32" Allen screw rests flat on the taper & not at an angle. Think about it.
It seems the IFNS adapter has worked for many & for many years. Regardless, Teknatool provided free ISNS adapters to anyone who received a IFNS adapter by mistake which I believe was ordered through Shopsmith. Included with the adapter is a sheet I've attempted to attach. (It is also on that 10-page thread along with pictures and other comments) The last line of the Teknatool letter states it (ISNS adapter) contains important safety information and to read and follow the instructions.
It's up to each of us to follow the instructions if we so choose. In this day & age people do what they feel comfortable with. Some will use safety equipment, wear eye protection, and some just won't. I'm not an expert, but try to help and assist forum members when I can. But it seems strange the price of a replacement adapter from Shopsmith is over $50. I think Shopsmith offers a good deal on the kit when they have it on sale, but their normal price is not competitive with other venders. C'est la vie.
Shopsmith has some unique specs to ensure future business like for example the width of the miter gauge slot in the table ensures only a Shopsmith miter gauge bar will fit as all others are too wide.
Teknatool has a catalog and sells any adapter for $19.99- any adapter except the ISNS- it's not on their adapter list on page 4 of their catalog. Perhaps a phone call to Teknatool Customer Service might help. A while back someone discovered there was an issue when a person ordered a ISNS Shopsmith adapter, the Teknatool computer was still putting in an order for a IFNS adapter. That was corrected after someone brought it to their attention.
Here is the catalog link:
http://www.teknatool.com/products/catal ... 11_web.pdf
Good luck.
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It goes back a way to this thread:
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... =teknatool
It seems some people were having problems and some were not. I had purchased my G3 Kit from another vender off of Ebay and was provided 3 different adapters before Teknatool was nice to send me two of the correct ISNS adapters for my G3 Kit for my Shopsmith. They sent two, because the first one never made it to my home.
I can understand the main points are the angle of the larger 5/32" Allen set screw and a 'beefier' ISNS adapter. The larger size is most likely a result of the set screw angle & larger diameter 5/32" screw used throughout the Shopsmith.
The IFNS Allen metric screw is almost one mm smaller than the 5/32" Allen used on the ISNS. I think it is 3mm on the IFNS. I've held both the IFNS & ISNS adapters along with a third I can not recall in my hand.
I think there was speculation that there might of been a problem when using the G3 and then switching from forward to reverse mode on the PowerPro or those Mark Vs that have been modified with a reverse switch. Or perhaps people experienced an issue with the adapter becoming loose. I honestly don't remember.
Last night I read a post by a Power Pro user who mentioned their DVR motor pulley set screw has loosened up on him, not once but two times. Holy cow, that can not be a good thing! I know the motor has a 5-year warranty. But it seems odd a motor set screw is loosening up- ever.
This G3 adapter issue had been brought up many times. Kinda reminds me of a dead horse. But it still seems there is still an issue, with not Shopsmith selling the G3 Check kits, but rather other companies who are not aware there is/was an issue and they are simply selling a 5/8" adapter which easily fits the Shopsmith. Most do not know the ISNS adapter is Allen set screw hole was bored at an angle to match the tapered angle on the Shopsmith so a 5/32" Allen screw rests flat on the taper & not at an angle. Think about it.
It seems the IFNS adapter has worked for many & for many years. Regardless, Teknatool provided free ISNS adapters to anyone who received a IFNS adapter by mistake which I believe was ordered through Shopsmith. Included with the adapter is a sheet I've attempted to attach. (It is also on that 10-page thread along with pictures and other comments) The last line of the Teknatool letter states it (ISNS adapter) contains important safety information and to read and follow the instructions.
It's up to each of us to follow the instructions if we so choose. In this day & age people do what they feel comfortable with. Some will use safety equipment, wear eye protection, and some just won't. I'm not an expert, but try to help and assist forum members when I can. But it seems strange the price of a replacement adapter from Shopsmith is over $50. I think Shopsmith offers a good deal on the kit when they have it on sale, but their normal price is not competitive with other venders. C'est la vie.
Shopsmith has some unique specs to ensure future business like for example the width of the miter gauge slot in the table ensures only a Shopsmith miter gauge bar will fit as all others are too wide.
Teknatool has a catalog and sells any adapter for $19.99- any adapter except the ISNS- it's not on their adapter list on page 4 of their catalog. Perhaps a phone call to Teknatool Customer Service might help. A while back someone discovered there was an issue when a person ordered a ISNS Shopsmith adapter, the Teknatool computer was still putting in an order for a IFNS adapter. That was corrected after someone brought it to their attention.
Here is the catalog link:
http://www.teknatool.com/products/catal ... 11_web.pdf
Good luck.
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Scroll down to page 7 or 8 in this attachment and you will find that Teknatool does offer the ISNS adapter - and the price is a little less than $50 like $30 less.backhertz wrote:I'm attempting to attach a copy of sheet Teknatool included with the free replacement ISNS adapters Teknatool provided to people who had purchased the Shopsmith Chuck Kit and were provided the IFNS adapter in error.
It goes back a way to this thread:
https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=10809&highlight=teknatool
It seems some people were having problems and some were not. I had purchased my G3 Kit from another vender off of Ebay and was provided 3 different adapters before Teknatool was nice to send me two of the correct ISNS adapters for my G3 Kit for my Shopsmith. They sent two, because the first one never made it to my home.
I can understand the main points are the angle of the larger 5/32" Allen set screw and a 'beefier' ISNS adapter. The larger size is most likely a result of the set screw angle & larger diameter 5/32" screw used throughout the Shopsmith.
The IFNS Allen metric screw is almost one mm smaller than the 5/32" Allen used on the ISNS. I think it is 3mm on the IFNS. I've held both the IFNS & ISNS adapters along with a third I can not recall in my hand.
I think there was speculation that there might of been a problem when using the G3 and then switching from forward to reverse mode on the PowerPro or those Mark Vs that have been modified with a reverse switch. Or perhaps people experienced an issue with the adapter becoming loose. I honestly don't remember.
Last night I read a post by a Power Pro user who mentioned their DVR motor pulley set screw has loosened up on him, not once but two times. Holy cow, that can not be a good thing! I know the motor has a 5-year warranty. But it seems odd a motor set screw is loosening up- ever.
This G3 adapter issue had been brought up many times. Kinda reminds me of a dead horse. But it still seems there is still an issue, with not Shopsmith selling the G3 Check kits, but rather other companies who are not aware there is/was an issue and they are simply selling a 5/8" adapter which easily fits the Shopsmith. Most do not know the ISNS adapter is Allen set screw hole was bored at an angle to match the tapered angle on the Shopsmith so a 5/32" Allen screw rests flat on the taper & not at an angle. Think about it.
It seems the IFNS adapter has worked for many & for many years. Regardless, Teknatool provided free ISNS adapters to anyone who received a IFNS adapter by mistake which I believe was ordered through Shopsmith. Included with the adapter is a sheet I've attempted to attach. (It is also on that 10-page thread along with pictures and other comments) The last line of the Teknatool letter states it (ISNS adapter) contains important safety information and to read and follow the instructions.
It's up to each of us to follow the instructions if we so choose. In this day & age people do what they feel comfortable with. Some will use safety equipment, wear eye protection, and some just won't. I'm not an expert, but try to help and assist forum members when I can. But it seems strange the price of a replacement adapter from Shopsmith is over $50. I think Shopsmith offers a good deal on the kit when they have it on sale, but their normal price is not competitive with other venders. C'est la vie.
Shopsmith has some unique specs to ensure future business like for example the width of the miter gauge slot in the table ensures only a Shopsmith miter gauge bar will fit as all others are too wide.
Teknatool has a catalog and sells any adapter for $19.99- any adapter except the ISNS- it's not on their adapter list on page 4 of their catalog. Perhaps a phone call to Teknatool Customer Service might help. A while back someone discovered there was an issue when a person ordered a ISNS Shopsmith adapter, the Teknatool computer was still putting in an order for a IFNS adapter. That was corrected after someone brought it to their attention.
Here is the catalog link:
http://www.teknatool.com/products/catalogue/10182_Nova%20Catalog%20USA_2011_web.pdf
Good luck.
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Ah, ha. The plot thickens! Well, not really but here are some more 'factoids' to add to the discussion:
#1: I did NOT buy my G3 from Shopsmith - in fact, I think I got mine before Shopsmith started offering them. SS Support did ask if I had purchased from them (I replied that I hadn't) and, I think, if I had purchased from them then they would have made a swap or at least given me a bit more of a deal. But I bought elsewhere so no luck there.
#2: I have communicated with Teknatool - both in NZ and in Florida. No returns from either one. Yet.
#3: The other adapters are available from other sources (e.g. Woodcraft) but not the 'S' version (i.e. ISNS).
#4: I have contacted the gentleman that I originally bought my G3 from and he says he can get the ISNS for me at around $20 + postage. So cautious optimism here. I would like the bigger, better, badder version before putting it on the PowerPro!
Thanks to all - I will keep everyone updated. I do wish SS didn't want such a big $$ but I do understand.
#1: I did NOT buy my G3 from Shopsmith - in fact, I think I got mine before Shopsmith started offering them. SS Support did ask if I had purchased from them (I replied that I hadn't) and, I think, if I had purchased from them then they would have made a swap or at least given me a bit more of a deal. But I bought elsewhere so no luck there.
#2: I have communicated with Teknatool - both in NZ and in Florida. No returns from either one. Yet.
#3: The other adapters are available from other sources (e.g. Woodcraft) but not the 'S' version (i.e. ISNS).
#4: I have contacted the gentleman that I originally bought my G3 from and he says he can get the ISNS for me at around $20 + postage. So cautious optimism here. I would like the bigger, better, badder version before putting it on the PowerPro!
Thanks to all - I will keep everyone updated. I do wish SS didn't want such a big $$ but I do understand.
Bob Groh
Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City, MO)
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1984 SS Mark V updated to model 510
1994 SS Mark V updated to model 520
SS SPT's: Bandsaw
Other tools:routers, Bosch router table, Craftsman 6" jointer, Steel City 12" bench planer, Porter Cable 7" power saw, and too much other stuff (not really - just kidding!!)
Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City, MO)
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1984 SS Mark V updated to model 510
1994 SS Mark V updated to model 520
SS SPT's: Bandsaw
Other tools:routers, Bosch router table, Craftsman 6" jointer, Steel City 12" bench planer, Porter Cable 7" power saw, and too much other stuff (not really - just kidding!!)
3mm Setscrew on F adapter(IFNS)
My adapter on the G3 chuck uses the 3 mm metric allen wrench.Stamped with a "F", appropriately. It comes loose frequently and requires tedious positioning to hit the bottom of the reverse taper on the spindle.
The WC version LOOKS like its 90 degrees to the shaft and would have to be positioned at the sweet spot in the reverse taper rather than set against the aluminum spindle collar.
After I started using the chuck, it loosened and I attributed it to the tiny set screw and not finding the deepest point on the spindle reverse taper. The work piece begins to wobble, moves on the spindle and finally gets so bad that you can't continue turning. The box that came w/the G3 said that it was the Shopsmith version. I sent an email to complaining about the setscrew to Customer Service, rather than complaining about it on the FORUM. No response from Customer Service. The F version should not have been included in a Shopsmith version of the chuck. It not part of the SS franchise. All F adapters should be recalled. I was PO'd about this over a year ago, maybe still am.
Without a 5/16-18 setscrew w/ 5/32 socket in it, that isn't a SHOPSMITH version. THANKS for informing on the updated adapter and $50 more seems like a lot, because anything I turn is given away not sold. I have used the chuck for some over 12" bowls and a platter that was over 14" .
The WC version LOOKS like its 90 degrees to the shaft and would have to be positioned at the sweet spot in the reverse taper rather than set against the aluminum spindle collar.
After I started using the chuck, it loosened and I attributed it to the tiny set screw and not finding the deepest point on the spindle reverse taper. The work piece begins to wobble, moves on the spindle and finally gets so bad that you can't continue turning. The box that came w/the G3 said that it was the Shopsmith version. I sent an email to complaining about the setscrew to Customer Service, rather than complaining about it on the FORUM. No response from Customer Service. The F version should not have been included in a Shopsmith version of the chuck. It not part of the SS franchise. All F adapters should be recalled. I was PO'd about this over a year ago, maybe still am.
Without a 5/16-18 setscrew w/ 5/32 socket in it, that isn't a SHOPSMITH version. THANKS for informing on the updated adapter and $50 more seems like a lot, because anything I turn is given away not sold. I have used the chuck for some over 12" bowls and a platter that was over 14" .
MK V 520; MK V 510 w/PP DIY Upgrade; MK 5 500; Jointer; Bandsaw; Sliding Table; Conical Sanding Disk; Sharpening Guide, Lathe Duplicator, Jigsaw, Scrollsaw, Beltsander, Ring Master, Biscuit Joiner.
Just some general information here. I looked back at my limited catalog collection. June 2006 catalog had the Nova G3 listed. I don't have a catalog out that is any earlier in 2006 but it is possible I have one so I might take a look another day. The Christmas 2005 catalog doesn't have them. So shopsmith has had them from at least mid 2006. I don't know when Nova introduced the G3 but it could have well been about then.
My G3 arrived somewhere around 12/13/06. That was most likely one of my gifts to myself given the time of year. So give or take a few days mine is 6 years old. I was wonder how long ago and now I know. I guess that is why I keep records. And yes mine came from shopsmith. Again the setscrew is the correct size and the angle tilt is correct, it is stamped with "F" and it is the right one for the shopsmith. I don't know when the "secret formula" was lost but it seems it was.
I'd think others here must have ones made between my date and when this problem surfaced. Anyone care to dig out their information and add it here?
Ed
My G3 arrived somewhere around 12/13/06. That was most likely one of my gifts to myself given the time of year. So give or take a few days mine is 6 years old. I was wonder how long ago and now I know. I guess that is why I keep records. And yes mine came from shopsmith. Again the setscrew is the correct size and the angle tilt is correct, it is stamped with "F" and it is the right one for the shopsmith. I don't know when the "secret formula" was lost but it seems it was.
I'd think others here must have ones made between my date and when this problem surfaced. Anyone care to dig out their information and add it here?
Ed
I had visited the Teknatool USA operation earlier this past year. I got a good deal on a G3 off of Ebay and it came with a 1 1/8" adapter. I forget the adapter number. Dusty and many others were involved on a never ending thread on the adapter. I met with the Teknatool engineer & production people and was assured everything would be taken care of & it was provided I let people know on the forum that Teknatool Customer Service was there to help- I did. But then more people who should of been on the Shopsmith callback or whatever you want to call it, were for some reason not included.
Some people ordering through Shopsmith were supplied the generic 5/8" adapter which was not the adapter designed/specified for the Shopsmith taper. In that epic thread, someone posted the Teknatool instructions and parts breakdown sheet to people who by mistake received the wrong adapter. Teknatool and/or Shopsmith provided the correct adapter at no charge to the people they had in their database as far as I know & also to people who contacted the customer service of either company.
I purchased my G3 from a Ebay seller in British Columbia who had a long-term relationship with Teknatool. He checked and rechecked and it turns out, the Teknatool system sent me the wrong adapter even though the ISNS should of been shipped to me.
So I visited Teknatool in Clearwater and learned the day prior to my visit, the correct adapter was shipped to my home in NJ. Well I was away and for some reason it never arrived. A second one was shipped and I received it.
The proof of the pudding is if a Shopsmith 5/32" Allen wrench will fit and the Allen is drilled at an angle to sit flat on the Shopsmith taper, then you have the correct adapter. I believe I included pics of both adapters on one of my thread posts- or someone else did.
The new adapter I received was stamped with an S. Now does that mean a ISNS? I don't know. Some people have adapters stamped with an F that use the 5/32" Allen bored at an angle.
I also learned that there were other companies selling the Nova G3 Chuck kit like Woodcraft. I do not believe they offered the ISNS as an option- only the IFNS adapter as that was the only other one that would fit on the Shopsmith.
I had conversations with many people involved at Teknatool, Shopsmith, and the company in British Columbia where I bought my G3 kit from. I forget who told me exactly what & when. Most of it's all contained in this long thread:
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... =teknatool
I only purchased my G3 earlier this year & specified Shopsmith and got a weird one which I think was 1 1/8" 8 TPI adapter- but I don't recall for sure. But ultimately I was supplied the ISNS adapter at not no charge. At some point, I recall this ISNS adapter was designed to prevent any safety issues or prevent problems like allsas describes in his post.
That makes sense as not many companies will voluntarily initiate a program where they ensure people supplied an incorrect adapter are provided an updated or correct adapter unless there is a potential liability or safety issue as it must be a costly process.
Well, Happy New Year everyone. I'm not going to comment on this issue anymore as I believe a search will provide anyone looking more than enough information. Customer service at Teknatool & Shopsmith were working to correct the confusion. I'm surprised the issue still persists.
Some people ordering through Shopsmith were supplied the generic 5/8" adapter which was not the adapter designed/specified for the Shopsmith taper. In that epic thread, someone posted the Teknatool instructions and parts breakdown sheet to people who by mistake received the wrong adapter. Teknatool and/or Shopsmith provided the correct adapter at no charge to the people they had in their database as far as I know & also to people who contacted the customer service of either company.
I purchased my G3 from a Ebay seller in British Columbia who had a long-term relationship with Teknatool. He checked and rechecked and it turns out, the Teknatool system sent me the wrong adapter even though the ISNS should of been shipped to me.
So I visited Teknatool in Clearwater and learned the day prior to my visit, the correct adapter was shipped to my home in NJ. Well I was away and for some reason it never arrived. A second one was shipped and I received it.
The proof of the pudding is if a Shopsmith 5/32" Allen wrench will fit and the Allen is drilled at an angle to sit flat on the Shopsmith taper, then you have the correct adapter. I believe I included pics of both adapters on one of my thread posts- or someone else did.
The new adapter I received was stamped with an S. Now does that mean a ISNS? I don't know. Some people have adapters stamped with an F that use the 5/32" Allen bored at an angle.
I also learned that there were other companies selling the Nova G3 Chuck kit like Woodcraft. I do not believe they offered the ISNS as an option- only the IFNS adapter as that was the only other one that would fit on the Shopsmith.
I had conversations with many people involved at Teknatool, Shopsmith, and the company in British Columbia where I bought my G3 kit from. I forget who told me exactly what & when. Most of it's all contained in this long thread:
http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthr ... =teknatool
I only purchased my G3 earlier this year & specified Shopsmith and got a weird one which I think was 1 1/8" 8 TPI adapter- but I don't recall for sure. But ultimately I was supplied the ISNS adapter at not no charge. At some point, I recall this ISNS adapter was designed to prevent any safety issues or prevent problems like allsas describes in his post.
That makes sense as not many companies will voluntarily initiate a program where they ensure people supplied an incorrect adapter are provided an updated or correct adapter unless there is a potential liability or safety issue as it must be a costly process.
Well, Happy New Year everyone. I'm not going to comment on this issue anymore as I believe a search will provide anyone looking more than enough information. Customer service at Teknatool & Shopsmith were working to correct the confusion. I'm surprised the issue still persists.
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