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I saw it, I wanted it, I got it.

For a large number of people this upgrade is rather expensive and of questionable worth.

The loss of being able to keep a SPT mounted is one of the issues several have mentioned. Without the reversing headstock the below the table use is very limited.

The pluses comes with the powerpro and the higher rpm and reversible direction and being able to use it under the table.

I've found that I was able to achieve some alignment that I previous was not able to obtain, which I attribute to the newer design.

I had entertained a second purchase for one of my other machines but that is doubtful at this point, the major price increase how has that purchase on hold. I would like to see if the alignment of that machine would be improved as much as the one I have done it too already.

Ed

JPG40504 wrote:Did you need the tilt left to do that? If so, how about a pix?:)

Yes I tilted to the left. I went out and took pictures but my laptop is dead and I can't figure out how to get them to the forum from my phone. If I can get it revived I will post them.

JPG40504 wrote:Without a PP headstock or a reversible motor and table it makes little sense. However it eliminates the tiebar/headrest that contributes to left/right compatibility issues with the extension table(I believe that issue is solvable with the original tie bar etc., but the dual tilt eliminates a complicated set of adjustments).

Not sure how it would help Dusty's lift assist problem though other than providing an easy way to disconnect the tube.

I suppose I was considering it without the lift assist attached… maybe?

It seemed possible that he might be able to better deal with that miter issue he’s tackling. Though it seems pretty sure he’ll manage that anyway. I guess I just thought he might be able to better approach it from the left side… or something like that.

However, I can see how without a reversible motor it might still pose the same or some other difficulty so far as making the cut using a single pass.

dusty wrote:I believe that if it was sitting in my shop, I would be able to find all sorts of projects to do on it that cannot be done on my Mark V.

That said, there is no way that I will have that much uncommitted cash any time in the near future. Sometimes I wish I was not retired. Better yet, if only I had anticipated this and laid away that cash before I retired.

The double tilt and reverse was the reason I bought a few old Mark VII's when I was buying Shopsmith's for my retirement. One is very good and the other two I bought as parts machines. So far the good one just looks really nice sitting over there along one wall. (shrug)
Then again most such things depend a lot on what we make and how we work. I keep telling myself that before long I will really need all of this stuff as I slowly transition from working "on" the woodshop to working "in" the woodshop.
For my entire adult life I have been acquiring tools of all kinds even during those times that I didn't really have any money loose to do so. I have always made it known to family that if they bought me a gift my choice would be tools... Any kind of tools... A huge number of my tools I bought used, many at yard/garage sales and more at auctions.
For much of my working life putting back cash for retirement was not something I was in a position to do. My biggest earnings were in my executive years and I was so young then that retirement seemed to be something to think about some time later. I became fully self employed in 1974 and the next couple of decades were a constant money struggle. I was recently looking back during a discussion on another forum and got to thinking about why I felt so poor during those years. I worked at a good profit margin and I was really busy. After some thought I realized that much of the problem was raising 4 kids. I had 3 teenage daughters in high school all at the same time. That is why I never had any money. OK, it was all worth it...
I really did do some general long term planning and from that my net worth is more than I ever dreamed it would be but I still keep running out of cash... Net worth is not for spending. I do have regular income coming in from 4 sources that do not require me to provide any labor and that more than provides our "needs" as long as we try to be fairly frugal. Of course there is always something else to "want".
We are planning a couple of trips this year, maybe I can discover a few tools I need for the trips.
We suspended our horse boarding last summer after my dicky ticker showed up but hope to have it back up by spring. It needs to cover the cost of our own horses and other hobbies. Last fall and this winter have been very expensive but still it could have been much worse.
On a side note we have discussed retirement medical insurance here before... I recently got the bill for my quadruple bypass... Just under $80,000... Actually less than I was expecting. After Medicare and my AARP supplemental insurance the bottom line was $59.95... I also got a bill from my cardiac specialist for about the same bottom line. That noise you heard was me breathing a huge sigh of relief.
Much of my current retirement circumstance has been just dumb luck. Folks should be planning like the dickens for retirement...

dusty wrote:I believe that if it was sitting in my shop, I would be able to find all sorts of projects to do on it that cannot be done on my Mark V.

That said, there is no way that I will have that much uncommitted cash any time in the near future. Sometimes I wish I was not retired. Better yet, if only I had anticipated this and laid away that cash before I retired.

The double tilt and reverse was the reason I bought a few old Mark VII's when I was buying Shopsmith's for my retirement. One is very good and the other two I bought as parts machines. So far the good one just looks really nice sitting over there along one wall. (shrug)
Then again most such things depend a lot on what we make and how we work. I keep telling myself that before long I will really need all of this stuff as I slowly transition from working "on" the woodshop to working "in" the woodshop.
For my entire adult life I have been acquiring tools of all kinds even during those times that I didn't really have any money loose to do so. I have always made it known to family that if they bought me a gift my choice would be tools... Any kind of tools... A huge number of my tools I bought used, many at yard/garage sales and more at auctions.
For much of my working life putting back cash for retirement was not something I was in a position to do. My biggest earnings were in my executive years and I was so young then that retirement seemed to be something to think about some time later. I became fully self employed in 1974 and the next couple of decades were a constant money struggle. I was recently looking back during a discussion on another forum and got to thinking about why I felt so poor during those years. I worked at a good profit margin and I was really busy. After some thought I realized that much of the problem was raising 4 kids. I had 3 teenage daughters in high school all at the same time. That is why I never had any money. OK, it was all worth it...
I really did do some general long term planning and from that my net worth is more than I ever dreamed it would be but I still keep running out of cash... Net worth is not for spending. I do have regular income coming in from 4 sources that do not require me to provide any labor and that more than provides our "needs" as long as we try to be fairly frugal. Of course there is always something else to "want".
We are planning a couple of trips this year, maybe I can discover a few tools I need for the trips.
We suspended our horse boarding last summer after my dicky ticker showed up but hope to have it back up by spring. It needs to cover the cost of our own horses and other hobbies. Last fall and this winter have been very expensive but still it could have been much worse.
On a side note we have discussed retirement medical insurance here before... I recently got the bill for my quadruple bypass... Just under $80,000... Actually less than I was expecting. After Medicare and my AARP supplemental insurance the bottom line was $59.95... I also got a bill from my cardiac specialist for about the same bottom line. That noise you heard was me breathing a huge sigh of relief.
Much of my current retirement circumstance has been just dumb luck. Folks should be planning like the dickens for retirement...

OK, I'm not sure why this posted twice??? I only clicked it once, really...


I'll see if I can get rid of one...


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robinson46176 wrote:The double tilt and reverse was the reason I bought a few old Mark VII's when I was buying Shopsmith's for my retirement. One is very good and the other two I bought as parts machines. So far the good one just looks really nice sitting over there along one wall. (shrug)
Then again most such things depend a lot on what we make and how we work. I keep telling myself that before long I will really need all of this stuff as I slowly transition from working "on" the woodshop to working "in" the woodshop.
For my entire adult life I have been acquiring tools of all kinds even during those times that I didn't really have any money loose to do so. I have always made it known to family that if they bought me a gift my choice would be tools... Any kind of tools... A huge number of my tools I bought used, many at yard/garage sales and more at auctions.
For much of my working life putting back cash for retirement was not something I was in a position to do. My biggest earnings were in my executive years and I was so young then that retirement seemed to be something to think about some time later. I became fully self employed in 1974 and the next couple of decades were a constant money struggle. I was recently looking back during a discussion on another forum and got to thinking about why I felt so poor during those years. I worked at a good profit margin and I was really busy. After some thought I realized that much of the problem was raising 4 kids. I had 3 teenage daughters in high school all at the same time. That is why I never had any money. OK, it was all worth it...
I really did do some general long term planning and from that my net worth is more than I ever dreamed it would be but I still keep running out of cash... Net worth is not for spending. I do have regular income coming in from 4 sources that do not require me to provide any labor and that more than provides our "needs" as long as we try to be fairly frugal. Of course there is always something else to "want".
We are planning a couple of trips this year, maybe I can discover a few tools I need for the trips.
We suspended our horse boarding last summer after my dicky ticker showed up but hope to have it back up by spring. It needs to cover the cost of our own horses and other hobbies. Last fall and this winter have been very expensive but still it could have been much worse.
On a side note we have discussed retirement medical insurance here before... I recently got the bill for my quadruple bypass... Just under $80,000... Actually less than I was expecting. After Medicare and my AARP supplemental insurance the bottom line was $59.95... I also got a bill from my cardiac specialist for about the same bottom line. That noise you heard was me breathing a huge sigh of relief.
Much of my current retirement circumstance has been just dumb luck. Folks should be planning like the dickens for retirement...

And that was probably for something that Medicare disallowed. What always amazes me is the actual amount that Medicare and the Supplementals pay versus what gets written off.

JPG40504 wrote:Did you need the tilt left to do that? If so, how about a pix?:)

Got my laptop going again so here is a picture of the double tilt to the left.[ATTACH]24222[/ATTACH]

joedw00 wrote:Got my laptop going again so here is a picture of the double tilt to the left.[ATTACH]24222[/ATTACH]

Ahhhh so. Reversible MV.

Now it makes sense.

If you are talking about the motor being reverseable no it's not. It just puts the headstock up instead of down like drill press mode.