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rbursek wrote:What are the details of this Yahoo SS site/forum, I read somewhere someone was on a waiting list to get on it?? Do you have to pay to be a member?

No, but you 'must pass muster'. Skip has to approve your entry. I believe a futile at best attempt to preclude spammers.

Perhaps they be impatient as well as spammers.

E for east (Ohio), R for "beRkeley" and ER for "error, um, let's see if we can make this any more confusing!"

The other site: I registered maybe a month ago and did get approved after a week or two so they do still approve members. On the other hand it seems like all the content is very old.

I'm excited to read they did make them here in Berkeley. Ha, take that all you folk who think nothing good ever comes of our (admittedly obnoxiously) liberal city. OK, let's not start another culture war here so just ignore that.

So a Goldie and an E (or ER, or mutant offspring of the two) in one week? At least my two came as one sale.
Oh, wait... Now I understand your post about freedom of being single! I don't recall, are these your first two?

I'd like to someday get two of these to make a super long lathe. I know others have done this. Good find!

dgale, missed that on the label, it is an ER.
JPG, as I stated earlier, drill setting/quill on the back side had a threaded shaft with a knurled knob for setting depth, but after reading all of you questions here I re-looked things over, on the switch side of the HS there is fact a calibrated quill spring housing,
The fence has the rear lock down, calibrations for saw blade height, and the mortising hole, front lock down knob is off set from the center of the fence. Tail stock has a nut on it about 1 1/16" on the back side of the centering hole no calibration markings like on the greenies and goldies, is that what you mean?
Boob, another trip to the basement, to look at things your are asking, as I take them 1x1!!!!!!LOL OBTW, I must have passed out from the Martinis for a bit and missed something AGAIN!!, "miter gauge head is similar to Mark x" from your post!!! Mr terminology correct, has fat fingers!!!!
Miter gauge has a tapped hole in it, like for the lock down clamp, but no split in the rail for the expansion set screw.
Extension table has that CI bracket.
"trunion has lever stops,"??? explain better on what is the trunion, please.
Both ends are 2 hole mounting, I will get pics as soon as I can figure that out!!!
Fitz, I said its all your freaken fault!!!!LOL It started kinda in Jan when I helped bring in my nephews 54 greenie he bought in Sept, and was just sitting in his garage b4 then, he is into SS, his came with a BS. Helped him set things up, 43 year old youngen, a GREAT food chemist, but not really mechanically inclined, but learning, I guess I forgot how little I knew back then till now, at being 62 next month, plus working mechanically all my life and a mechanical engineer by education. Doing residential remodeling for 20 years hands on, and wood working for a great part of that, along with other things that take mechanical aptitude. So about 5 weeks ago I pick up a 57 greenie with a jointer for 170, ends up needing belts and upper spindle bearings, another 100, but in great shape and tons of extras. Love machinery, guns, there design, and wood, used to have my federal firearms license and made custom rifles and stocks. Then about 2 weeks ago a guy bought a new SS and was selling his old,he bought new 84 with a BS for 400, great shape, then this past Thursday pick up a junky condition goldie with jointer for 150. Mean while you are posting about your shopping in SF and the ER you came across and passed on. Like I said I love machinery, and the SS is a pure, efficient, design and simplistic in all ways, they should be in some mechanical museums!!! Then on CL, not seen around here B4, in 1 week are those 2 ERs, well I got a calling!!! So 125 later, and not having to "ask permission", Saturday off to get the ER for a working show piece to redo this winter. Heck Fitz, for those prices as I have said, you can not buy an equal quality stand alone piece of wood working equipment.
BTW now I have 2 SS jointers, a 6" tool shop SS clone, and a 6" free standing one.
Also FYI. contrair to what was posted to a belt question here about my greenie belt replacement, I had to get a head lamp for my freaken POJ BMW, and I took in the drive belt from the goldie, same as the greenie, no problem, not in the store but would have to order it $14.00 at Auto Zone. No S&H either!!

School bells have trunions. Dinner bells have trunions. Church bells have trunions. SS main tables have trunions. Trunions allow them all to pivot/tilt.

So look at the table 'protractor'.

The tailstock is adjustable for centering, but not offsettable for taper turning.

The miter gauge bar cannot be locked in position like the Mark x.



Ya know there were 'improvements' added when the Mark 5 was introduced.

JPG40504 wrote:The tailstock is adjustable for centering, but not offsettable for taper turning.

The tailstock IS adjustable for taper turning, technically. Just not very much.

Although JPG is correct, that adjustment is made to align the drive spur with the dead (or live) tailstock center.

The headrest DID go through 4 changes that I know about. 2 mounting bolt holes, or 4 holes, and either style cast in iron or aluminum. The belt guard has also seen a couple of versions. On the later version, the top is flat, instead of carrying the dome all the way over. And, if I'm not mistaken, both versions were magnesium. Why, I don't know. There were NUMEROUS variations of the E model, not just the Revised version.

Luckily, all the parts interchange, except the extension table and mount. Oh, single wedge locks won't interchange with double wedge locks. And, the single wedge ones are better. When you loosen the lock, the screw pulls the wedge away. With double wedge locks, there was sometimes a spring, but most of the time you had to "tap" on it to get it loose. Wedge locks on the quill, headstock and carriage are all the same.

steve

JPG,so how was the "Derby" for you?? Horses are like paper shredders, just put all your money into the shredder!!!!!!!!!!!
Trunions, trunions, my home grown onions in the garden have trunions, I get a ton of onions or is that tunions!!!!LOL
TS table has a protractor "trunion"?? under its base, adjustable for beveling. Main for it support is CI, tubes are steel, not aluminum.
WTF is this Mark X you keep referring too in the last few post??
"The miter gauge bar cannot be locked in position like the Mark x".
You doing some home grown down there???
I know the Martinis are kicking in, typing for forty years, and dont have to look at the key board, just doing it tonight!!!
Skou, 2 holes, cast iron on this one.
Head rest/guard by weight i thought was aluminum. it is domed. magnesium??? wow cutting edge for its time, why???
Wow horsey!!! what is all this?? break it down, piece by piece, please.
Luckily, all the parts interchange, except the extension table and mount. Oh, single wedge locks won't interchange with double wedge locks. And, the single wedge ones are better. When you loosen the lock, the screw pulls the wedge away. With double wedge locks, there was sometimes a spring, but most of the time you had to "tap" on it to get it loose. Wedge locks on the quill, headstock and carriage are all the same.

OK, originally, trunnions are the 2 protruding HEAVY pins on the sides of a cannon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunnion

In our Shopsmiths, they are the pivot points for the table, and on the E (and ER) models are cast into that shallow U shaped piece that goes from front to back below the table, leaving room for the spindle, arbor, and a saw blade.

he "protractor," or more properly, the quadrant, on the E model has adjustable screws at 90, plus and minus 45, and zero degrees. there is a blade that slides into place, to stop at the indicated points. On the ER, the quadrant has indents on the same places, and a lever holds the quadrant in place, until you lock it down. The lever is lightly spring-loaded, and the lock has a captive nut to lock it down. There is a handle over the nut, and you can pull it away from the nut, and actually remove the threaded shaft the nut is on, for disassembly, using the handle. The E and ER models are different, and won't interchange.

Oh, if you ever remove the pivot bushing on the rear trunnion, it goes together backwards from what you think, on the ER. Numerous people on the ER Yahoo page have said, "my table isn't flat after I rebuilt the trunnion and mounts." The cause is that back bushing being upside-down.

steve

rbursek wrote: WTF is this Mark X you keep referring too in the last few post??
"The miter gauge bar cannot be locked in position like the Mark x".

I don't know about every one else, but I refer to the Mark-X as anything newer than the E/ER models. (Maybe NOT the Mark 2)

The Mark X stuff is basically all the same, except for table configuration, (or in the case of the NEW Mark 7, the power unit.)

The Mark-X bar, has a setscrew in it, that will expand the bar, and lock it into the table slot. The ER bar does not have this feature. (I should ask Skip, to see if he can build one. He built me an ER bar to mount the Mk-X hold down, and it works just fine. I had to get Mk-5 (one of the Mark-X models) miter gauge, to get the other parts.

steve