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dusty wrote:
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masonsailor2 wrote:I am not sure either. Good question though Dusty. I just ordered a couple of new drive belts and I added on a "premium" 1/4 " blade. When it gets here I will compare it to the non premium one I have had for a while. We will see :cool: On another note the new 510 I picked up yesterday had an interesting accessory I didn't know existed. It has a 5/8 saw arbor that has a large 1 1/4 threaded flange similar to the arbor for a standard SS 10 inch saw blade. I have a couple of 5/8 arbors for standard blades which have the washers and nut but this is much nicer.
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That is the standard SS saw arbor. SS blades have a 1 1/4" hole in them. Premium blades I don,t think so. Timberwolf!!!
Why don't you think so? The Premium blade could be a relabeled Timberwolf.

But my question was intended to spark a discussion about "What makes a band saw blade "premium". Assuming that you are using the correct blade for the work being performed - why is one blade better than any other?

Well, if they are relabeled Timberwolf blades they are certainly getting a premium price for them. The equivalent 1/8" Timberwolf blade is $16.38 and the equivalent 1/2" Timberwolf blade is $17.28. The SS blades are all $28.97 each.
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dusty wrote:I know that the timing for this question is "questionable" but I still must ask.

I just purchased "Premium Band Saw Blades" when they were last an email special. I know that they are premium; just check the price and compare that to the other Shopsmith Band Saw Blades.

Can anyone tell me what makes them "premium" and how they are going to perform (or are suppose to perform) differently than any other band saw blade?

Unfortunately, it will be awhile before I can go top the shop and check/test for myself.
Believing in SS I hope their Band Saw blades are GOOD ...but

The only band saw blade to buy is the Timberwolf from Suffolk machinery. They know what a SS is and they have the blades even though they don't always list a 72" blade on their web site. If you buy them direct they are a lot cheaper than all the resellers like Woodcraft or whoever.
OKAY, let's talk about this. This was my question. What is there about the Timberwolf blades that make you feel good about them? How do they perform any differently than any other sharp blade that you might mount on your Shopsmith band saw?
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jsburger wrote:
dusty wrote:I know that the timing for this question is "questionable" but I still must ask.

I just purchased "Premium Band Saw Blades" when they were last an email special. I know that they are premium; just check the price and compare that to the other Shopsmith Band Saw Blades.

Can anyone tell me what makes them "premium" and how they are going to perform (or are suppose to perform) differently than any other band saw blade?

Unfortunately, it will be awhile before I can go top the shop and check/test for myself.
Believing in SS I hope their Band Saw blades are GOOD ...but

The only band saw blade to buy is the Timberwolf from Suffolk machinery. They know what a SS is and they have the blades even though they don't always list a 72" blade on their web site. If you buy them direct they are a lot cheaper than all the resellers like Woodcraft or whoever.
OKAY, let's talk about this. This was my question. What is there about the Timberwolf blades that make you feel good about them? How do they perform any differently than any other sharp blade that you might mount on your Shopsmith band saw?
Since I haven't used every brand of blade available and compared them side by side I am not saying there isn't anything available that is just as good. The big thing is that if you buy direct from Suffolk Machinery they are cheaper than just about anything else worth buying. One comparison I did do was with the Wood Slicer from Highland Woodworking. They tout it like it is the best thing since sliced bread. So I bit and bought one. I had been using a 1/2" 4TPI Timberwolf blade for resawing. The truth is that I couldn't tell any difference between the two. The Timberwolf cut just as well as the highly touted Wood Slicer. The big difference is the price. Wood Slicer $29.99 Timberwolf $17.20. To me that is a no brainer.

As for the SS Premium blades, they may be just as good as the Timberwolf blades but they cost twice as much.
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dusty wrote:I know that the timing for this question is "questionable" but I still must ask.

I just purchased "Premium Band Saw Blades" when they were last an email special. I know that they are premium; just check the price and compare that to the other Shopsmith Band Saw Blades.

Can anyone tell me what makes them "premium" and how they are going to perform (or are suppose to perform) differently than any other band saw blade?

Unfortunately, it will be awhile before I can go top the shop and check/test for myself.
Believing in SS I hope their Band Saw blades are GOOD ...but

The only band saw blade to buy is the Timberwolf from Suffolk machinery. They know what a SS is and they have the blades even though they don't always list a 72" blade on their web site. If you buy them direct they are a lot cheaper than all the resellers like Woodcraft or whoever.
OKAY, let's talk about this. This was my question. What is there about the Timberwolf blades that make you feel good about them? How do they perform any differently than any other sharp blade that you might mount on your Shopsmith band saw?[/quote]

Since I haven't used every brand of blade available and compared them side by side I am not saying there isn't anything available that is just as good. The big thing is that if you buy direct from Suffolk Machinery they are cheaper than just about anything else worth buying. One comparison I did do was with the Wood Slicer from Highland Woodworking. They tout it like it is the best thing since sliced bread. So I bit and bought one. I had been using a 1/2" 4TPI Timberwolf blade for resawing. The truth is that I couldn't tell any difference between the two. The Timberwolf cut just as well as the highly touted Wood Slicer. The big difference is the price. Wood Slicer $29.99 Timberwolf $17.20. To me that is a no brainer.

As for the SS Premium blades, they may be just as good as the Timberwolf blades but they cost twice as much.[/quote]

I did pay more than you say the Timberwolf costs but not twice as much. I got my Shopsmith Premium Blades for $20.28 each. I also have a Wood Slicer for resawing. I swear by it for the work that I do; however, I do not resaw an awful lot of really hard woods (mostly oak and maple).
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Dusty:

I just store my BS blades hanging on a nail(s) in the side of a wood cupboard. Teeth are facing the side of the cupboard so they don't get damaged and neither does anyone else.

By-the-way, sorry to hear about your health issues. Good Luck and I hope you are back making sawdust as soon as possible.

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dusty wrote:
jsburger wrote:
dusty wrote:I know that the timing for this question is "questionable" but I still must ask.

I just purchased "Premium Band Saw Blades" when they were last an email special. I know that they are premium; just check the price and compare that to the other Shopsmith Band Saw Blades.

Can anyone tell me what makes them "premium" and how they are going to perform (or are suppose to perform) differently than any other band saw blade?

Unfortunately, it will be awhile before I can go top the shop and check/test for myself.
Believing in SS I hope their Band Saw blades are GOOD ...but

The only band saw blade to buy is the Timberwolf from Suffolk machinery. They know what a SS is and they have the blades even though they don't always list a 72" blade on their web site. If you buy them direct they are a lot cheaper than all the resellers like Woodcraft or whoever.
OKAY, let's talk about this. This was my question. What is there about the Timberwolf blades that make you feel good about them? How do they perform any differently than any other sharp blade that you might mount on your Shopsmith band saw?
Since I haven't used every brand of blade available and compared them side by side I am not saying there isn't anything available that is just as good. The big thing is that if you buy direct from Suffolk Machinery they are cheaper than just about anything else worth buying. One comparison I did do was with the Wood Slicer from Highland Woodworking. They tout it like it is the best thing since sliced bread. So I bit and bought one. I had been using a 1/2" 4TPI Timberwolf blade for resawing. The truth is that I couldn't tell any difference between the two. The Timberwolf cut just as well as the highly touted Wood Slicer. The big difference is the price. Wood Slicer $29.99 Timberwolf $17.20. To me that is a no brainer.

As for the SS Premium blades, they may be just as good as the Timberwolf blades but they cost twice as much.[/quote]

I did pay more than you say the Timberwolf costs but not twice as much. I got my Shopsmith Premium Blades for $20.28 each. I also have a Wood Slicer for resawing. I swear by it for the work that I do; however, I do not resaw an awful lot of really hard woods (mostly oak and maple).[/quote]

Well, the SS Premium blades are now $28.97 and the Timberwolf blades in the same sizes range from $16.38 10 $17.28. Not quite twice but close. I guess you didn't pay attention to what I said about the Wood Slicer. It works great but the Timberwolf works just as well at almost half the price. If I had only used the Wood Slicer I would swear by it because it works great. In my case I used the Timberwolf first. I bought the Wood Slicer because of all the hype Highland put out about it. The Wood Slicer does not work any better so why pay more for it?
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There may be a couple of things that would make a seller call his blades "premium". Some manufacturers will treat the teeth to harden them and make them stay sharp longer. Some blades have milled teeth rather that stamped teeth. This gives a more even set which will help to minimize drift or even to eliminate it. The extra manufacturing processes add to the expense
In the final analysis it's the same as the difference between a vase and a vahse. A vahse is much more expensive than a vase.
I use the standard SS blades. I find that the standard SS blade to be equal to or better than the competition.
I have never had a SS blade break at the weld but I did have two Olsen blades break at the weld the first time I used them.
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I too use the standard Shopsmith band saw blades, at least until now. I bought these, at the slightly higher price, just to check. I am hard on band saw blades and if I could find some that were superior, without giving an arm and a leg, I will be very pleased.

Shopsmith says the following about their premium blades:

Premium Bandsaw Blades Feature Less Heat Build-Up For Longer Blade Life

Shopsmith blades are made from premium-quality silicon carbon steel with precision milled teeth for added sharpness and consistency of cut. These premium blades are induction heat-treated to ensure an even hardness, and feature a special tooth set and rake angle to provide more aggressive cutting with less pressure. This reduces heat build-up, prolonging blade life substantially.

Hopefully, I will back in the shop soon and I will provide my opinion as to whether or not these are, in my opinion,premium blades. There is that word premium again. I think the claim might be that milled teeth rather than stamped teeth makes them "better".

Note, however, that Shopsmith does not make mention of the blades being more brittle.
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dusty wrote:I too use the standard Shopsmith band saw blades, at least until now. I bought these, at the slightly higher price, just to check. I am hard on band saw blades and if I could find some that were superior, without giving an arm and a leg, I will be very pleased.

Shopsmith says the following about their premium blades:

Premium Bandsaw Blades Feature Less Heat Build-Up For Longer Blade Life

Shopsmith blades are made from premium-quality silicon carbon steel with precision milled teeth for added sharpness and consistency of cut. These premium blades are induction heat-treated to ensure an even hardness, and feature a special tooth set and rake angle to provide more aggressive cutting with less pressure. This reduces heat build-up, prolonging blade life substantially.

Hopefully, I will back in the shop soon and I will provide my opinion as to whether or not these are, in my opinion,premium blades. There is that word premium again. I think the claim might be that milled teeth rather than stamped teeth makes them "better".

Note, however, that Shopsmith does not make mention of the blades being more brittle.
OK Dusty, here is the info from the Suffolk Machinery web page.

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Hello,

Thank you for your interest in our company’s products. We’ve been in the woodworking business since 1976 and are very proud of our evolution over the years. We feel it is our job to help our customers achieve the maximum production and life from our products whether that is done by offering the best blades on the market or through education.

Thanks to my father, I first fell in love with band saws and woodworking when I was 8 years old and that appreciation has only grown through the years. As a young apprentice, I saw my father’s frustration when trying to re-sharpen and reset blades, in his own primitive way, to make them cut better. And they did! Many years later, when researching and developing the best woodcutting blades possible with our partners in Sweden, I was reminded of the trials and errors of my father. For that reason, Timber Wolf® band saw blades have been a tremendous personal investment.

The manufacturer in Sweden that we have teamed up with many years ago is the granddaddy of band saw blade technology. They invented the applied science of Electro-heat induction hardening (known as high-frequency hardening) in Sweden in 1946. This technology breakthrough was a closely held secret for 40 years and has given them and us a big advantage over our competition.

Our exclusive use of low tensioned, high ductile Swedish silicon steels, working in combination with our unique geometric gullet designs and sets, has resulted in our having many of the finest band saw blades in the world. All of our teeth are milled, not stamped or crush-ground. Our quality control is unsurpassed in the business. In fact, we are considered a leader in the manufacturing of specialized set tooth, high performance blades.

Our reputation and service is excellent. We guarantee all orders to be shipped within 48 hours, courteous personnel, and an awesome Technical Service Department.

Give us a try, you have nothing to lose. Everything we sell has an unlimited time and performance guarantee. We guarantee all of our welds except on blades shorter than 65″ in length or any blade that has been improperly sharpened. We do not, however, guarantee blades that are run on any three-wheel machine. If you do not like our blades we will refund your money and pay the freight upon their return. This also gives us a second chance the opportunity to analyze the blades in order to determine why they did not meet your satisfaction.

Sincerely,
Art Gschwind
CEO and Founder

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Suffolk only makes one blade and that is a "Premium" blade. Also, the only thing they make is band saw blades. I like buying from a one product company since I would think they have an interest in supplying that one product in a superior fashion. If you don't you go out of business and they have been around since 1976.

Milled, hardened teeth and Swedish silicon steel at a significant saving.

If you are hard on band saw blades why not try a Timberwolf? It will be at least equal to the SS blades and cheaper. Remember, buy direct or you won't save any money.
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I can't tell you much about shopsmith bandsaw blades because I don't use them. Let me add that for most of my shop life I have not had a shopsmith bandsaw so there was no way I would have used their blades.

I got my first band saw back before I got a shopsmith, the early 1970's and still have the same machine now but have added a shopsmith band saw a couple of years back.

My first years of bandsaw use was with the cheap blades of the day. They cut they got dull and I got rid of them and spent another $6 or so for a new one. Those were also the days of steel table saw blades......... Not long after I got my shopsmith in 1976 I started buying better saw blades and got hooked on them. Better blades better cuts and less sanding.

It was maybe the mid 1980's before I started looking to other bandsaw blades. In almost all cases the cheap blades did the job but had limited life in the most part due to getting dull. I've not broken many blades, maybe only a couple during sawing and a few trying to get a kink or bend out.

I used several brands before I started using timber wolf and while I have no actual measurements that proved they cut better and lasted longer I know that I felt that they did so it became my brand. I have tried a few other along the way but came back to timber wolf.

I do like two blades from another source, that being the green wood blade and the wood slicer from Highland. They have worked well for me and I have a lot of faith in them.

When I got my shopsmith bandsaw I did get a blade with it (used bandsaw & blade) and the blade was pretty much junk so I did not even attempt to cut with it. I did get a blade from a local source to do some testing and alignment work but was unhappy with how it cut so I went back to what I knew would work, timber wolf and highland.

So I have no proof that one blade is better then another I still like to use what I have learned to like and plan to stay the course of getting better (premium) blades rather then the less expensive ones.

I have to admit to having a small collection of cheaper standard shopsmith blades I picked up at a restore for a couple of bucks each but have not used them.... so perhaps my story might change but I doubt it.

I can recall only 2 blades that I lost at the weld. In one case I could hear it and see it was not flat at the weld. When I attempted to make it flat it broke, cheap blade anyway so I didn't think much about it. The other broke in use but it was my fault, trying to back out of a curve that I shouldn't have tried..... bang and it was over. Again a cheap blade so it was only a small loss. I might have had others but I can only remember those two.

So that is my story and I'm sticking to it.

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