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Gene Howe wrote:Now that's really picky. But, I guess ya gotta draw the line somewhere.

Gene Howe wrote:Let's see, you stand beside your Shopsmith and have your picture taken for an ad. But, you'd better not wear the logo on a hat or shirt while you're standing beside the machine.

C'mon!

algale wrote:https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/tls/5067146911.html

I like his truck!

Gene Howe wrote:Let's see, you stand beside your Shopsmith and have your picture taken for an ad. But, you'd better not wear the logo on a hat or shirt while you're standing beside the machine.

C'mon!

billmayo wrote:

woodburner wrote:Dusty,

I remember that post. The guy also had a website if I'm not mistaken. He was charging a lot of money for this service. I believe it was $400-$500 for a weekend, plus travel costs, meals, etc.

He did work for Shopsmith at one time, more as a demonstrator/salesman and not so much as a TA instructor.

I think Shopsmith themselves put the brakes on his service because he was using the company logo on his website and info packets without their permission, and they took him to court over it. The info he put out there made it look like it was a service that Shopsmith was providing when in fact it wasn't.

Now if he would have put in the info and on his website the service was NOT connected to the Shopmsith company in any way, then maybe he could have made it work. And using their logo on anything is a BIG no-no.

If the west coast event I'm planning takes off (and it looks like it's going to), I guarantee there won't be a logo in sight at the event unless I have permission from the company to do so. If need be, I'll even cover the logos on my Shopsmith tools with tape.

Your post is right on. I have a booth at Florida's Largest Home Show 3 times a year for the past 6 years. I was wearing a Shopsmith cap and apron with a large Shopsmith LOGO sign with the statement that I am not associated in any way with Shopsmith each time. 4 years ago, Shopsmith had me contacted with a warning to cease and quit using the Shopsmith name. I could not use the Shopsmith LOGO on any thing regardless of statements when dealing with the public. I redid my business cards wihout reference to Shopsmith on them. Of course, I doubt that Shopsmith has anyone left for checking these days.

I did have a lot of discussion with Shopsmith as to what I was allowed to do. They would not allow me to be a repair facility for them or receive or accept any of the many improvements I have done for the Shopsmith equipment. I could not display the Word "Shopsmith" anywhere in my booth.

The liability issues in supporting any group meetings or owner group training is really frightening these days and Shopsmith wants no association with these groups. I agree with Shopsmith. I would recommend thinking about these issues as signed statement saying the person knows no liability is available is not really any good. I worked with the ONLINESHOPCLASS group from day 1 and found many liability problems can be present for any get-together. We used a lawyer to approve the forms we used at that time. I would believe each state may have different liability requirements.

Sorry to bring up these issues, but wanted you to be aware that there can be problems sometimes. Liability insurance is very costly too.

billmayo wrote:

woodburner wrote:Dusty,

I remember that post. The guy also had a website if I'm not mistaken. He was charging a lot of money for this service. I believe it was $400-$500 for a weekend, plus travel costs, meals, etc.

He did work for Shopsmith at one time, more as a demonstrator/salesman and not so much as a TA instructor.

I think Shopsmith themselves put the brakes on his service because he was using the company logo on his website and info packets without their permission, and they took him to court over it. The info he put out there made it look like it was a service that Shopsmith was providing when in fact it wasn't.

Now if he would have put in the info and on his website the service was NOT connected to the Shopmsith company in any way, then maybe he could have made it work. And using their logo on anything is a BIG no-no.

If the west coast event I'm planning takes off (and it looks like it's going to), I guarantee there won't be a logo in sight at the event unless I have permission from the company to do so. If need be, I'll even cover the logos on my Shopsmith tools with tape.

Your post is right on. I have a booth at Florida's Largest Home Show 3 times a year for the past 6 years. I was wearing a Shopsmith cap and apron with a large Shopsmith LOGO sign with the statement that I am not associated in any way with Shopsmith each time. 4 years ago, Shopsmith had me contacted with a warning to cease and quit using the Shopsmith name. I could not use the Shopsmith LOGO on any thing regardless of statements when dealing with the public. I redid my business cards wihout reference to Shopsmith on them. Of course, I doubt that Shopsmith has anyone left for checking these days.

I did have a lot of discussion with Shopsmith as to what I was allowed to do. They would not allow me to be a repair facility for them or receive or accept any of the many improvements I have done for the Shopsmith equipment. I could not display the Word "Shopsmith" anywhere in my booth.

The liability issues in supporting any group meetings or owner group training is really frightening these days and Shopsmith wants no association with these groups. I agree with Shopsmith. I would recommend thinking about these issues as signed statement saying the person knows no liability is available is not really any good. I worked with the ONLINESHOPCLASS group from day 1 and found many liability problems can be present for any get-together. We used a lawyer to approve the forms we used at that time. I would believe each state may have different liability requirements.

Sorry to bring up these issues, but wanted you to be aware that there can be problems sometimes. Liability insurance is very costly too.

Ed in Tampa wrote:As Bill's post alluded to I think Shopsmith is more worried about liability issues than they are competition. We can thank our bottom feeding lawyers for creating that environment.

algale wrote:Pastor Ed, instead of blaming the lawyers, maybe you should look closer to home. The Bible, not lawyers, established the concept of strict liability.

Deuteronomy: 22:8

http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/22-8.htm

Ed in Tampa wrote:As Bill's post alluded to I think Shopsmith is more worried about liability issues than they are competition. We can thank our bottom feeding lawyers for creating that environment.