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JPG wrote:Makes me wonder what criteria the USPS test ascertains?

It depends on what job you apply for at USPS. Each different job requires different tests and scores. It isn't much different from any other job. The military does the same thing. Their testing tells them if you are qualified or not for a job there. Private employers do the same thing to find the employee with the right skills for the job.

garys wrote:

JPG wrote:Makes me wonder what criteria the USPS test ascertains?

It depends on what job you apply for at USPS. Each different job requires different tests and scores. It isn't much different from any other job. The military does the same thing. Their testing tells them if you are qualified or not for a job there. Private employers do the same thing to find the employee with the right skills for the job.

Then how in tarnation did certain ones that come to mind get hired?

I went to mail a parcel at the local UPS facility and had to show a government issued photo ID for them to take it. Then I went to vote and I had to show...................!
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jsburger wrote:

Ed in Tampa wrote:My opinion the Post office workers have the civil service mentality, I can't/won't be fired so why put any effort into it. I have stood in line in the Post Office and watched the attendants chit chat like the place was empty. They moved in sloooow motion and made totally unnecessary moves that did nothing more than waste time.
Delivers are able to deliver their route in less than 8 hrs but are paid for 8, some can finish in 4 or 5 Hours

There is often way too many chiefs and too few worker bees. And I have observed that many of the worker bees they do hire have deep emotional or psychological problems.

The problem may be a lack of expertise but I think it is more a lack of motativation to do the job they got hired for.

I worked for the government for 40 years (24 active duty Air Force and the rest Civil service). My wife worked 35 years civil service for the Army and Air Force in maintenance directly supporting the war fighter. While there are people that have the mentality you describe do not put all of us in the same boat.

It is not just driving the route. They have to sort and load the truck in the morning. During peak times (holidays) it takes way longer than "8" hours and they don't get paid overtime. How do you now they work less than 8 hours a day? Please explain. I live out in the country. For years my mail lady drove her own car and had to install the right hand steering wheel on her dime. About 10 years ago they finally got real (used) mail trucks. Maybe if we want better mail service the government should spend more money on that and cut some of the useless social programs that mostly don't work. That way you wouldn't have to stand in line at all.

You really are kidding right? Please say you don't think that is true. Have you ever taken the USPS test for hiring. I have... Oh never mind. That is just a stupid statement.

BTW, I didn't qualify to to be hired by the USPS to deliver the mail but I was qualified to load nuclear weapons and fix all manner of Air Force aircraft and components.

There is a vast difference between the armed service and civil service government postal workers.

As far as being serious have you ever heard of the Expression " going postal" ? It didn't just happen and it didn't get generate by well adjusted workers.

Lastly I know enough Postal workers to know the job, what is required, how long they work, and most of the problems that have been inbred in system by the bureaucracy long established in the system.

Lastly I would not tell any one that I failed the postal entrance test, I would just keep that to myself.

Ed in Tampa wrote:

jsburger wrote:

Ed in Tampa wrote:My opinion the Post office workers have the civil service mentality, I can't/won't be fired so why put any effort into it. I have stood in line in the Post Office and watched the attendants chit chat like the place was empty. They moved in sloooow motion and made totally unnecessary moves that did nothing more than waste time.
Delivers are able to deliver their route in less than 8 hrs but are paid for 8, some can finish in 4 or 5 Hours

There is often way too many chiefs and too few worker bees. And I have observed that many of the worker bees they do hire have deep emotional or psychological problems.

The problem may be a lack of expertise but I think it is more a lack of motativation to do the job they got hired for.

I worked for the government for 40 years (24 active duty Air Force and the rest Civil service). My wife worked 35 years civil service for the Army and Air Force in maintenance directly supporting the war fighter. While there are people that have the mentality you describe do not put all of us in the same boat.

It is not just driving the route. They have to sort and load the truck in the morning. During peak times (holidays) it takes way longer than "8" hours and they don't get paid overtime. How do you now they work less than 8 hours a day? Please explain. I live out in the country. For years my mail lady drove her own car and had to install the right hand steering wheel on her dime. About 10 years ago they finally got real (used) mail trucks. Maybe if we want better mail service the government should spend more money on that and cut some of the useless social programs that mostly don't work. That way you wouldn't have to stand in line at all.

You really are kidding right? Please say you don't think that is true. Have you ever taken the USPS test for hiring. I have... Oh never mind. That is just a stupid statement.

BTW, I didn't qualify to to be hired by the USPS to deliver the mail but I was qualified to load nuclear weapons and fix all manner of Air Force aircraft and components.

Lastly I would not tell any one that I failed the postal entrance test, I would just keep that to myself.

. . .

Does the expression over qualified apply?

POST OFFICE PROGRESS ??

I have lived in South Bend,IN all of my life and we have always had a post office hub here. Last year it was decided that the hub would no longer be hi South Bend. The complex will still function as our main office, but now all of our mail is trucked from our main office, east 90 miles to Fort Wayne, IN and then trucked back to South Bend for delivery. It now takes four days to send birthday cards the 2 miles to our grandchildren, instead of one or two days. And this was done to save money?

S Brian wrote:POST OFFICE PROGRESS ??

I have lived in South Bend,IN all of my life and we have always had a post office hub here. Last year it was decided that the hub would no longer be hi South Bend. The complex will still function as our main office, but now all of our mail is trucked from our main office, east 90 miles to Fort Wayne, IN

Change South Bend, IN and Fort Wayne, IN to: Lexington, KY and Louisville,Ky and that is what is occurring here.

Ed in Tampa wrote:

jsburger wrote:

Ed in Tampa wrote:My opinion the Post office workers have the civil service mentality, I can't/won't be fired so why put any effort into it. I have stood in line in the Post Office and watched the attendants chit chat like the place was empty. They moved in sloooow motion and made totally unnecessary moves that did nothing more than waste time.
Delivers are able to deliver their route in less than 8 hrs but are paid for 8, some can finish in 4 or 5 Hours

There is often way too many chiefs and too few worker bees. And I have observed that many of the worker bees they do hire have deep emotional or psychological problems.

The problem may be a lack of expertise but I think it is more a lack of motativation to do the job they got hired for.

I worked for the government for 40 years (24 active duty Air Force and the rest Civil service). My wife worked 35 years civil service for the Army and Air Force in maintenance directly supporting the war fighter. While there are people that have the mentality you describe do not put all of us in the same boat.

It is not just driving the route. They have to sort and load the truck in the morning. During peak times (holidays) it takes way longer than "8" hours and they don't get paid overtime. How do you now they work less than 8 hours a day? Please explain. I live out in the country. For years my mail lady drove her own car and had to install the right hand steering wheel on her dime. About 10 years ago they finally got real (used) mail trucks. Maybe if we want better mail service the government should spend more money on that and cut some of the useless social programs that mostly don't work. That way you wouldn't have to stand in line at all.

You really are kidding right? Please say you don't think that is true. Have you ever taken the USPS test for hiring. I have... Oh never mind. That is just a stupid statement.

BTW, I didn't qualify to to be hired by the USPS to deliver the mail but I was qualified to load nuclear weapons and fix all manner of Air Force aircraft and components.

There is a vast difference between the armed service and civil service government postal workers.

As far as being serious have you ever heard of the Expression " going postal" ? It didn't just happen and it didn't get generate by well adjusted workers.

Lastly I know enough Postal workers to know the job, what is required, how long they work, and most of the problems that have been inbred in system by the bureaucracy long established in the system.

Lastly I would not tell any one that I failed the postal entrance test, I would just keep that to myself.

First of all USPS workers are no longer real civil service employees. It is private. Knowing postal workers does not in any way mean YOU understand how the internal workings of a particular facility work. All employs have different opinions of the company.

I certainly would tell that I didn't qualify to deliver the mail because the test is idiotic. I took the test around 1996 after I retired from the Air Force. There was only one test. There was nothing about what job you were applying for. The job you were applying for was the USPS period. It was almost mostly about remembering addresses and getting them in the correct order. It was just a stupid test. If you haven't taken the test then you don't know.

My wife got rifted at McClellan AFB after 25 years of civil service with the Army repairing tank laser sights and helicopter radios when the idiots in Washington closed the base. That was in 2000/01. With her years of service she had reinstatement rights. For those of you that don't what that means she can take any job anywhere ahead of other applicants as long as she is qualified. Since the USPS is NOT a real civil service job (it's been privatized) she could not get a job with them because of her reinstatement rights. So she took the test, it was the same test I took according to our conversations about it and she didn't qualify either. I have no idea how the USPS hires their employees.

Going Postal, again you have to be kidding? That happened how many years ago ONCE. That is just ridiculous. How many of the same incidents have occurred since then and they were not USPS employees.

Does the expression over qualified apply?

Could be. I guess that apples to my wife also.