Page 2 of 2
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:34 pm
by jsburger
JPG wrote:Sheesh all this consternation over vise/vice.
Would color/colour or molding/moulding . . . create the same?
Realize folks that different 'GPS' locations have colloquial spellings(British/American) for instance).
And our neighbors at a greater latitude tend to use the British versions.
P.S. I agree with the comments re 'education' direction(floundering?). Making change mentally is a disappearing attribute. I know of members of
my generation that cannot do that. Get into a discussion with a clerk re incorrect change that cannot mentally understand how. Then there are those who do not understand %(sales tax fer instance) or multiple discounts.(A 20% discount and a 50% discount is not a 70% discount, but rather a 60% one).
Do not accuse one of ignorance while exposing thine own.
No color/colour or molding/moulding should not create the same. They are the same word with the same meaning and can be used interchangeably in the same sentence. As you say the different spelling is due to regional differences but both are correct. Vise/vice are two totally different words with different meanings and can not be used interchangeably in the same sentence.
Interestingly, colour and moulding are both shown by the spell checker of this program as being spelled wrong. Vice and vise are both shown as correct.
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:41 pm
by JPG
jsburger wrote:JPG wrote:Sheesh all this consternation over vise/vice.
Would color/colour or molding/moulding . . . create the same?
Realize folks that different 'GPS' locations have colloquial spellings(British/American) for instance).
And our neighbors at a greater latitude tend to use the British versions.
P.S. I agree with the comments re 'education' direction(floundering?). Making change mentally is a disappearing attribute. I know of members of
my generation that cannot do that. Get into a discussion with a clerk re incorrect change that cannot mentally understand how. Then there are those who do not understand %(sales tax fer instance) or multiple discounts.(A 20% discount and a 50% discount is not a 70% discount, but rather a 60% one).
Do not accuse one of ignorance while exposing thine own.
No color/colour or molding/moulding should not create the same. They are the same word with the same meaning and can be used interchangeably in the same sentence. As you say the different spelling is due to regional differences but both are correct.
Vise/vice are two totally different words with different meanings and can not be used interchangeably in the same sentence.
Interestingly, colour and moulding are both shown by the spell checker of this program as being spelled wrong. Vice and vise are both shown as correct.
Zatso?
- Clipboard01VISE -- VICE.jpg (96.91 KiB) Viewed 3554 times
And Vice has multiple other meanings.
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:06 pm
by jsburger
JPG wrote:jsburger wrote:JPG wrote:Sheesh all this consternation over vise/vice.
Would color/colour or molding/moulding . . . create the same?
Realize folks that different 'GPS' locations have colloquial spellings(British/American) for instance).
And our neighbors at a greater latitude tend to use the British versions.
P.S. I agree with the comments re 'education' direction(floundering?). Making change mentally is a disappearing attribute. I know of members of
my generation that cannot do that. Get into a discussion with a clerk re incorrect change that cannot mentally understand how. Then there are those who do not understand %(sales tax fer instance) or multiple discounts.(A 20% discount and a 50% discount is not a 70% discount, but rather a 60% one).
Do not accuse one of ignorance while exposing thine own.
No color/colour or molding/moulding should not create the same. They are the same word with the same meaning and can be used interchangeably in the same sentence. As you say the different spelling is due to regional differences but both are correct.
Vise/vice are two totally different words with different meanings and can not be used interchangeably in the same sentence.
Interestingly, colour and moulding are both shown by the spell checker of this program as being spelled wrong. Vice and vise are both shown as correct.
Zatso?
Clipboard01VISE -- VICE.jpg
And Vice has multiple other meanings.
OK, touche. Has anyone else ever seen the tool vise ever spelled vice in any reference to the tool?
I bet anyone would say I misspelled if I used vise when I really meant vice. The other two words you mentioned are certainly much more commonly used.
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:56 pm
by JPG
The only reason I was aware of the dual word spelling for a 'vise' was that Shipwright referred to his "V8" vise as a vice.
He clearly explained that was the prevalent spelling 'up there' when questioned about the spelling.
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:29 pm
by BuckeyeDennis
As for me, I think I have a vise vice. I own two vintage Columbian woodworking vises, still waiting on me to build them a proper woodworking bench. And let's not forget that nifty Zyliss that I haven't used yet either.
But now, having read Christopher Schwartz's (first) workbench book, I want a massive Roubo bench with a leg vise, preferably powered by a wooden screw. Maybe one of the Columbians would work on my assembly/clutter bench.
See? A vise vice.
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:45 pm
by wa2crk
I used to be a Vice cop but I never locked up one of those things.
Bill V
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:23 pm
by Ohgary
[quote="JPG"]Sheesh all this consternation over vise/vice.
consider that NYW was created by the PBS operation and that their original name was National EDUCATIONAL Television. One might suppose that they would operate fluently in standard English. (Steps down from soapbox.)
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:28 pm
by Ohgary
JPG wrote:The only reason I was aware of the dual word spelling for a 'vise' was that Shipwright referred to his "V8" vise as a vice.
He clearly explained that was the prevalent spelling 'up there' when questioned about the spelling.
Therefore when we are discussing shipbuilding I will keep my mouth shut...
Re: New Yankee Workshop
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:30 am
by JPG
Ohgary wrote:JPG wrote:The only reason I was aware of the dual word spelling for a 'vise' was that Shipwright referred to his "V8" vise as a vice.
He clearly explained that was the prevalent spelling 'up there' when questioned about the spelling.
Therefore when we are discussing shipbuilding I will keep my mouth shut...
Au Contraire!!!!
Having 'him' around will allow erroneous statements to serve as a means of acquiring proper understanding!!!