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Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:55 pm
by ERLover
@ Dick/rjent, > "ERL, I appreciate your comments and I agree with effency. Like my professor, my dad never saw it that way either ...
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Old school thinking and Standards, the Japs taught us that in the 70-80s with team building, ect, on time/demand inventory/supply, ect.
What is Flea Sanding?
My finishing books/bibles say if sanding with an ROS, afterwards, sand with the same last grit by hand with the grain to remove any possible swirl marks. Which I do.
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:19 pm
by Ed in Tampa
I will finish with cabinet scrapper and finish knowing what to expect.
I never thought a power planner would produce a ready to finish but I thought the author was satisfied with the output of the planer. The planer I was talking about was a hand planer.
Smooth as silk and not really burnished just looks that smooth.
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:33 pm
by BuckeyeDennis
It appears that Bob Flexner would side with Ed in Tampa. Below is an excerpt from his book, Understanding Wood Finishing.
Great book. For you relative newbies like me, if you don't have it, I highly recommend that you buy it. It costs less than even one finishing screw-up, and it's a whole lot less aggravating!
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:45 pm
by reible
"History of Sandpaper : AbrasivesOasis.com. Although Isaac Fisher JR. patented the first process for mass manufacturing of sandpaper in the United States in 1834, sandpaper was used as far back as the 13th century in China."
If this is correct then sandpaper is a lot older then some think......
Ed
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:57 pm
by ERLover
BuckeyeDennis wrote:It appears that Bob Flexner would side with Ed in Tampa. Below is an excerpt from his book, Understanding Wood Finishing.
Great book. For you relative newbies like me, if you don't have it, I highly recommend that you buy it. It costs less than even one finishing screw-up, and it's a whole lot less aggravating!
BD, I have his books and they are my finishing bibles, I must have missed that or forgot it. Thanks for the reality check.
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:51 am
by charlese
Took some time, but just finished reading Chapter 16 in the "Wood Handbook..." (Subject Finishing) In the old days it was called just the "Wood Handbook" made and published by the U.S.D.A. Forest Service Experiment Station. Now they have added the title to mention 'as an engineering material'. Myself and all my classmates got free copies from our Senator. All we had to do was ask! The books were free to anyone that asked. They probably still are.
Now to the need for sanding - - It is never mentioned as recommended or needed in all 39 pages. The chapter does go into detail about the species of wood and their differences in cell structure, how the board was sawn from a log,early wood and late wood and grain.
They did mention a smooth surface give best results. Smoooth planed surfaces were mentioned several times.
In essence the chapter showed that Ed in Tampa and Buckeye Dennis and Bob Flexner were right on.
I thought that was a good thing as most of the furniture I have made were finished onto a planned surface with no sanding, except where parts didn't quite fit.
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:18 am
by ERLover
charlese wrote:Took some time, but just finished reading Chapter 16 in the "Wood Handbook..." (Subject Finishing) In the old days it was called just the "Wood Handbook" made and published by the U.S.D.A. Forest Service Experiment Station. Now they have added the title to mention 'as an engineering material'. Myself and all my classmates got free copies from our Senator. All we had to do was ask! The books were free to anyone that asked. They probably still are.
Now to the need for sanding - - It is never mentioned as recommended or needed in all 39 pages. The chapter does go into detail about the species of wood and their differences in cell structure, how the board was sawn from a log,early wood and late wood and grain.
They did mention a smooth surface give best results. Smoooth planed surfaces were mentioned several times.
In essence the chapter showed that Ed in Tampa and Buckeye Dennis and Bob Flexner were right on.
I thought that was a good thing as most of the furniture I have made were finished onto a planned surface with no sanding, except where parts didn't quite fit.
You are always a wealth of knowledge and experience!!!
I will have to email mine b4 Finegold may get elected here in WI. But you have Miss Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein.
How is that 10% sales tax in CA doing for you??? Among all the other taxes??
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:21 am
by thunderbirdbat
charlese wrote:Took some time, but just finished reading Chapter 16 in the "Wood Handbook..." (Subject Finishing) In the old days it was called just the "Wood Handbook" made and published by the U.S.D.A. Forest Service Experiment Station. Now they have added the title to mention 'as an engineering material'. Myself and all my classmates got free copies from our Senator. All we had to do was ask! The books were free to anyone that asked. They probably still are."
It is available as a free PDF download now. At least I believe it is the whole book at 509 pages.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr190.pdf
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:05 am
by rjent
thunderbirdbat wrote:charlese wrote:Took some time, but just finished reading Chapter 16 in the "Wood Handbook..." (Subject Finishing) In the old days it was called just the "Wood Handbook" made and published by the U.S.D.A. Forest Service Experiment Station. Now they have added the title to mention 'as an engineering material'. Myself and all my classmates got free copies from our Senator. All we had to do was ask! The books were free to anyone that asked. They probably still are."
It is available as a free PDF download now. At least I believe it is the whole book at 509 pages.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr190.pdf
Thank you Brenda, that is outstanding. I am reading chapter 16 to get caught up. You guys and gals rock!
Man Charlese, would i love to just sit over coffee with you one day and just talk .....
Thank you.
I will educate myself more and then do some experiments and share them with you all. I am making some solid wood cabinets/doors/drawers for tools/blades/attachments and such for the shop right now and it gives me some "test" material to work with. I will share the results.
Thanks all, what a great resource for ShopSmith
Re: Laziness ... ?
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:58 pm
by Beave2012
thunderbirdbat wrote:charlese wrote:Took some time, but just finished reading Chapter 16 in the "Wood Handbook..." (Subject Finishing) In the old days it was called just the "Wood Handbook" made and published by the U.S.D.A. Forest Service Experiment Station. Now they have added the title to mention 'as an engineering material'. Myself and all my classmates got free copies from our Senator. All we had to do was ask! The books were free to anyone that asked. They probably still are."
It is available as a free PDF download now. At least I believe it is the whole book at 509 pages.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr190.pdf
As a side note, you if you have a android tablet/phone, you can upload that PDF onto Google Play Books and it will then be accessible as an e-book. Keep track of your pages, read on any android device... etc... pretty nice feature for 500 page PDFs.
However in reference to the above conversation. Sandpaper is like the power tool of finishing. It can be done well, but its the quick route. The cabinet scraper and hand plane is the true craftsman route. Now the real trick is if you can tell between the two as a cabinet scraper cuts the fibers while the sandpaper simply rubs em off eventually...
Hmm I wonder if the old monks that transcribed books and bibles before the printing press looked at the printing press as a cheating way to copy down information. Food for thought.