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Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:01 pm
by ChrisNeilan
jsburger wrote:
algale wrote:Dave's not advertising or selling anything with that link. And Dave's a longtime member/contributor. Not a spammer. Not spam.
I know that but where is the SS on that page? What does it have to do with SS?
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David Ecale
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Hmmm… Well… We’re in one of those homes. We’re not affluent by a long way, but, we saw what was in the house & etc. before we purchased it…. Here’s a fun list:

Big Game hunting trophies everywhere (including an eight foot tall stuffed Kodiak Bear)
Not one, but two “Shopsmiths” in the basement & custom furniture made from them in the house
A Ferrari, a Porsche, & a Lamborghini in the garage. A Sport Bike, too.
A “modern design” house that has several impractical design traits, but “Hey! It’

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 am
by nuhobby
When I went to the Dayton get-together for Shopsmith owners in 2008, the visitors ran the gamut. One guy was styling in a sleek Audi that he drove. Others were driving beater trucks. I got the impression that all of the folks knew how to manage their money, but some admitted to having tool-buying addictions.

Chris

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 am
by Ed in Tampa
My guess the person was talking of buying a NEW Shopsmith. I think you have be fairly affluent to have $4000 in disposable income to buy something for a hobby.

I do not want to get into a peeing contest as I am sure there are many that have justified spending that much and more on their hobby. But I do not think it is people living hand to mouth caught up in to the soaring costs as many find themselves today.

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:36 am
by ChrisNeilan
Ed in Tampa wrote:My guess the person was talking of buying a NEW Shopsmith. I think you have be fairly affluent to have $4000 in disposable income to buy something for a hobby.

I do not want to get into a peeing contest as I am sure there are many that have justified spending that much and more on their hobby. But I do not think it is people living hand to mouth caught up in to the soaring costs as many find themselves today.
I agree Ed...

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:48 am
by davebodner
ChrisNeilan wrote:
Ed in Tampa wrote:My guess the person was talking of buying a NEW Shopsmith. I think you have be fairly affluent to have $4000 in disposable income to buy something for a hobby.

I do not want to get into a peeing contest as I am sure there are many that have justified spending that much and more on their hobby. But I do not think it is people living hand to mouth caught up in to the soaring costs as many find themselves today.
I agree Ed...
That makes sense to us Shopsmith-istas. I don't think the average person out there is making that distinction.

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:26 pm
by everettdavis
Even though the RLF Shopsmith ownership does not offer financing as did Shopsmith Inc. I see people every day almost who will spend $4000 on some passion or another. From home theater equipment, to custom wheels for their car, computers and electronics for their gaming passion, or outfitting their man cave. From credit cards to credit unions, to liquidating one thing for another, if your want a new one you likely can buy one.

Some have acquired older gear, restored it then sold it, or just parted out bits and pieces on eBay to get there. It doesn't have to be cash in hand from one's affluence that enables acquisition.

Everett

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:06 pm
by masonsailor2
I agree with Everett. For me tool acquisition is an ends to a means. All of my equipment was bought second hand except my table saw. All of my 510’s were bought used. Woodworkers come in all types including different levels of financial status. The great thing is the money and machinery have nothing to do with the level of woodworking. It’s all about the ability to create beautiful objects from wood. Some of the very best don’t even use power tools. Case and point I am at the Hilo woodturning show and I met one of their top turners who gets $5500 and up for his bowls. He does it all on a treadle powered lathe. Oh and he is 72 years young. When you see work at his level it brings it home that it is an art. Then there are people who feel the machinery itself is art. We have a few here on the forum who have taken the 10ER to piece of art. A beautifully restored piece of vintage machinery is art to many. I guess this is why I love the woodworking thing.
Paul

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:27 pm
by Ed in Tampa
Again I do not think the person was talking of people that buy used equipment for for less than 1/10 the cost of a new Shopsmith. Certainly you do not have to be affluent to purchase a $150 machine.

But to buy a $4000 machine you have to have enough disposable income that by definition will usually put you into the affluent classification. I am sure that everyone has tales of poor money management people that can't pay the rent but will go out and buy a $4000 whatever.

I knew a guy that won a huge settlement and instead of paying his huge medical bills went out a bought shop full of the most expensive tools. Was he affluent? No! He simply had more money than brains, he eventually lost everything and lives in dire poverty.

Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:32 pm
by robinson46176
nuhobby wrote:When I went to the Dayton get-together for Shopsmith owners in 2008, the visitors ran the gamut. One guy was styling in a sleek Audi that he drove. Others were driving beater trucks. I got the impression that all of the folks knew how to manage their money, but some admitted to having tool-buying addictions.

Chris


I don't have a lot of really close friends anymore... I did but far too many of them have died off in recent years along with many of my old class of 1960 high school classmates. A group of us that are local get together every month (on my initiative) but in the last two years we are fewer.

One of the friends I still have and I are not real close but we do bump into each other now and then and we just pick up talking where we left off. We are at different levels of affluence... :rolleyes: He is a multi-millionaire many times over. Me, I get along OK but he is worth maybe 10 or 15 times what I am. Maybe much more. We happen to share a hobby, old Gravely garden tractors... When we get together the conversation always soon turns to our common hobby. At that point we are pretty much equal. He is as common as an old shoe and can pinch a penny until old Abe screams in pain. :D At least around here locally we both drive old, tired pickup trucks and some years ago it seemed like we were in a contest to see which truck would rust completely out of existence first. :D He won. I was driving an old 1977 GMC with Rust-a-matic and he was driving on old small Japanese pickup that I believe used to be white. If he wanted to put something small in the bed he had to put it in something else to keep it from falling through the rust holes.
He is the most affluent person I know personally but I can guarantee you that there are none of those things listed in those responses in his old brick farm house. I'm afraid that if I ever tried to talk him into buying a new Shopsmith and told him the price he might just have a stroke... :eek: :rolleyes: :D One funny thing, he is about my age but he is still working full time... Not me, I can loaf with the best of them. :p
Most of us chugging along can usually manage to buy things that are important to us but it took me a long time to acquire a Shopsmith. I wished for one for 28 years first then bought my 510 new in 1988. Including a few small extras the total was right at $2,300 give or take. Back then I had no idea how many were available used at a reasonable price. If I had known I would have bought one (or more) used about 20 years sooner.
My woodshop is the one thing that still owes me. My farm / mechanics shop has always been a producer. Either I made money directly from it or I saved myself from spending large sums of money
by doing things very cheaply that someone else would have charged me an arm and a leg to do for me. That is especially true of large repairs or rebuilds on all manner of farm equipment. It also includes maintenance and repairs on cars, trucks etc.
The wood shop has given me a lot of satisfaction but little direct income. It has been profitable if I consider my use of parts of it for building repairs and rehabs on rentals over the years but that is a bit shaky since carpentry and most other rehab work is almost another whole area and includes all building trades. My life has a lot of blurry lines in it. :rolleyes: :)
We went 25 years without taking a vacation except for Sunday drives or an occasional overnight stay somewhere within a few hundred miles. I have decided to claim that my woodshop cost are me now taking some of those missed vacations. :cool: :D
I need to walk to the back of the farm now to check on a horse and then get some firewood in but this evening I'll be in the basement dusting off and moving some of my vacations around the shop. :) :) :)


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Re: Are Shopsmiths for the affluent?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:57 pm
by sidecarmike
They may not be for the affluent, but every really great deal I've gotten on Shopsmiths has been from people who live in houses worth many times what mine is. For example. in May of 2006 I bought my 520 with a jointer, belt sander, and bandsaw on a power stand. They all have 10/2005 dates on them. I rescued them from a 6 car garage they were sharing with a new Corvette, an Escalade, a Mercedes convertible, and an early 30's Ford street rod. The whole package cost me $750 if I remember correctly. The guy thought he wanted to make his own custom furniture. Then he discovered he didn't like working with his hands. ;)