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Dusty,

Just a follow-up... In the process of restoring the first 3 Shopsmith Mark 5 manuals, I would be remiss if I did not point out that even though part number revisions and such have happened through the years, if one looks up a screw or setscrew in the early manuals, the description included the dimensions of the screw within the text listing. Now it just says setscrew...

Here is an example

Current On-Line manual for Shopsmith Mark V Headstock:

44 501634 Screw 1 4.44

44 is the set screw on the back side holding the Quill Advance and is covered with putty and painted over at the factory.

In the early Greenies Version 3 Manual:

P1014 was the set screw for the current Item 44

However, the P1014 Description was Screw -- Soc. Set 5/16-18 x 5/16

In the "Shopsmith Set Screws from Mike.PDF" On My Google Drive - shows 501634 as 5/16-18 x 3/8

See photo from that Document below.

I agree it would be nice if it could be updated with the Mark 7 Metric Set Screws in the DVR Motor.

Everett

dusty wrote:

everettdavis wrote:

dusty wrote:Thank you Everett. That is data required for the first line entry in the new spreadsheet. Now if someone would produce a list of Shopsmith
part numbers along with a 'where used" we'll have an even better start.

I read somewhere that the inventor of the Linotype automation machine mechanizing the former cold type setting nearly went insane.

I propose not to follow in his footsteps relative to the "Shopsmith parts where used" concept....

This one, I will pass on.

Everett

OKAY, that is perfectly fair. AND I may do very little more myself because I do not have a PowerPro to use as a test bed.

When I did my spreadsheet on Shopsmith set screws I literally removed set screws from all over the Shopsmith equipment just to see what my equipment had been assembled with. Can't do that without a PowerPro. However, I cannot imagine that there are more than three or four setscrew locations in the PowerPro Headstock and I assume that the common applications in the rest of a Mark 7 are no different than my Mark V, Model 510.

I agree with you 100% Dusty. Set screws are a common hardware item (either imperial or metric). There is nothing special about SS setscrews. The tip is the difference and if you know what the tip is then it is available. A little longer or shorter is probably not a big deal in most cases. Just go buy the same diameter and thread pitch and be done with it.

As JPG said, the old Magna manuals listed these kind of parts as "common hardware". They did give the full specification however so you could go buy one.

They did not however include the tip information.

dusty wrote:Now if someone would produce a list of Shopsmith
part numbers along with a 'where used" we'll have an even better start.

My initial reticence in undertaking the project as worded was "a list of Shopsmith part numbers" didn't seem to restrict it just to set-screws but everything ever made...

Like many, I don't have the PowerPro yet so I can't look at all the screws etc. in the DVR motor.

I have installed upgrades for two people, and bought a copy of the manual, the templates and drilling guides so I can "Prep" headstocks I am restoring for family members to be ready for the upgrade.

I don't know if your original manuals was better than the photocopy Shopsmith sold me back in the day, but it is not as clear as I would have hoped.

No, I will not be restoring it since it falls into the licensing of the current company who makes the machine, and it would not be prudent to do even if it did not violate their copyrighting, which I am sure it would. If they can provide it, I don't need to re-create or restore it so to speak.

The older manuals and documents are fair game as I seem to have the moniker Shopsmith Historian circling about me. I have never charged for anything in restoration and gladly donate my labors to the world-wide Shopsmith community in that regard.

The book that I am writing will in all likelyhood be an eBook that will be compatible with as many eReader formats I can make it. I still have no idea on how it will be priced just yet, as I still have much to do in fleshing out information within it. If it gets too complicated to do an eBook I may publish it as a PDF and request PayPal donations or something of that nature.

If it proves worthy for physical printing, I might see if Shopsmith wanted to publish it and sell it on-line themselves. I can tell you the Shopsmith story is a great story, and most everything except the DVR motor and electronics invented in New Zealand and licensed by Shopsmith, is made in the USA, and most often by manufacturing in the Dayton, Ohio area, with final fit and assembly by Shopsmith.

I was very impressed by my visit in May by the people I met. I know folks are having some PowerPro issues based on what I read in the forums, but the answers have to come from New Zealand OEM engineering folks researching the problems that crop up and working with Shopsmith to remedy and mitigate them.

Everett

JPG wrote:They did not however include the tip information.

True, but I think they were all cup tips, at least in the beginning. Were there any "common" set screws back then that were other than cup?

From John,
True, but I think they were all cup tips, at least in the beginning. Were there any "common" set screws back then that were other than cup?

The Jig Saw also used an Oval, Cone and Full Dog set screws. The Mortise Attachment and Jointer/Shaper Fence used a Flat Point set screw. See the attached PDF for Model 10 and accessories set screws.

jsburger wrote:

JPG wrote:They did not however include the tip information.

True, but I think they were all cup tips, at least in the beginning. Were there any "common" set screws back then that were other than cup?

Quill stop/anti-rotation was half dog.

Arbor set screws were oval.

Eccentric retainer set screw was cone.

Yes most others(assembly fasteners) were cup point.

The anti-twist bench tube monster was oval.(first slotted, then hex socket).

Nylock was another variant.

OK, FWIW, I found the set screw at my local True Value hardware store. I am back up and running. It really baffles me as to how SS can "backorder" these until mid Aug. when they could send one of the snowflakes to the hardware store and buy some. This SS cost me 60 cents as compared to 1.60 from SS. I am leaving my order on fulfillment so I can verify the tip, and I added some conical sand paper and some new upper and lower belts to justify the shipping. With all the removing and replacing the belts, I am going to put new ones on.

I am still working toward moving away from SS even though I love the concept and the machines. I don't know if I will be able to or not so that is TBD.

I am not happy with how they do business at all.

JMPOHO

All this consternation over a GD set screw!

I do understand the "PO" part.

Maybe a bit over the top reaction?

JPG wrote:

jsburger wrote:

JPG wrote:They did not however include the tip information.

True, but I think they were all cup tips, at least in the beginning. Were there any "common" set screws back then that were other than cup?

Quill stop/anti-rotation was half dog.

Arbor set screws were oval.

Eccentric retainer set screw was cone.

Yes most others(assembly fasteners) were cup point.

The anti-twist bench tube monster was oval.(first slotted, then hex socket).

Nylock was another variant.

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